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Wiki Everything you wanted to know about Intelligent Octopus But Were Afraid To Ask

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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Yes, add new device only opens camera to scan a QR code. Which code?
In my app (iOS version), you tap your user icon (upper left on main page), then devices, then Intelligent Octopus. At the bottom is a choice to disconnect device (which you likely used to remove the car you no longer have) -- once your car is removed you should there have an option to add the new car (you may need to choose "Reconnect Device", but it will lead you back through the linking a car process). HTH
 
In my app (iOS version), you tap your user icon (upper left on main page), then devices, then Intelligent Octopus. At the bottom is a choice to disconnect device (which you likely used to remove the car you no longer have) -- once your car is removed you should there have an option to add the new car (you may need to choose "Reconnect Device", but it will lead you back through the linking a car process). HTH
Thanks, this option was not available, just to scan a QR code.

I deleted the app, including the data (iOS asks you when deleting an app).

Installed again, and it is asking me to reconnect the IO device! So all good, but it needs to uninstall and install again.
 
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I'm going to move over to IO (currently on flux), questio. That probably has been answered but Im not going to scroll 127 pages...how does it work with my battery (givenergy)? If they schedule a half hour charge at a random time I assume that will drain my battery as well? It would if I set it to charge myself. Is there anyway around that without manually stopping the battery discharging?
 
I'm going to move over to IO (currently on flux), questio. That probably has been answered but Im not going to scroll 127 pages...how does it work with my battery (givenergy)? If they schedule a half hour charge at a random time I assume that will drain my battery as well? It would if I set it to charge myself. Is there anyway around that without manually stopping the battery discharging?
3 main choices with GE:

1. If you know your way around Home Assistant (or Node Red) I have posted links to some scripts in this thread where you can sync the battery with the GraphQL API so that the battery doesn't discharge when your planned slots are produced.

2. Have your EVSE wired upstream of your inverter so it doesn't see the load from the charger

3. Implement some current sensing solution which I know has been done but I don't have any advice to offer on that.
 
Indeed, this is what I'm doing currently regarding export. We have a fairly big array and storage and Flux export is handy. Even the non-peak export rate makes sense versus solar EV charging at the moment. Plus the Eddi is off and we're heating water with gas (tracker rate) :(
I have 2 x 9.5 GE batteries, solar etc and IO works very well.
My electric use is pretty high and the extra off peak slots are very handy. I also have a Rolec charger.
My plan is to double my storage in Nov as the off peak slots mean solar is not as good a return as the majority of our electric use is off peak via the batteries. I also have Several free chargers close by so don’t need to charge the EVs at home too much.
I was on GO until sep last year and IO is way way better for our needs.
 
I'm a bit confused about the switch from an existing Octopus tariff to Intelligent. I'm on Flux at the moment and went through the "Move to Intelligent" process in the app, adding my Tesla and doing a test charge. This generated a schedule for charging this afternoon, although it hasn't actually started yet.

The account page still shows Flux. So what tariff am I actually on? Intelligent for import and Flux for export? Or Flux for both with just intelligent charging periods during the day?
 
I'm going to move over to IO (currently on flux), questio. That probably has been answered but Im not going to scroll 127 pages...how does it work with my battery (givenergy)? If they schedule a half hour charge at a random time I assume that will drain my battery as well? It would if I set it to charge myself. Is there anyway around that without manually stopping the battery discharging?

Not really a quick, simple easy way to do it, no.

1) You could try Home Assistant. That works.

Usually I’m not getting extra slots (or needing them. Depends how much you are charging the car overnight and how often you are likely to need more than the 6 hours to charge the car. We haven’t yet. But we do plug in every day and don’t do one or two big charges a week.
All our slots have been allocated within the standard IO period. I think you’ll only get them outside that if your car is charging slower and needs more than 6hours (granny charger?)

If you get earlier slots then I imaging that isn’t as much of a problem, as the batteries will just top up to their reserve from 23:30 onwards ~ but maybe if it’s allocated extra slots like 06:30-0700, and 07:30-0800. That might be the scenario that I imagine you’re thinking of.

2) You could go into the inverter settings and change the “timed charge” from the IO schedule (23:30-05:30), set your current battery SOC to whatever it is at the start of the extra slot (or guesstimate it). But that seems more inconvenient than just hitting pause/play.

3) Just adjust your battery reserve up by an estimate of half an hours charging for each extra slot of you’ve got extra later slots (ie +7kW/2 converted to percent)
 
I'm a bit confused about the switch from an existing Octopus tariff to Intelligent. I'm on Flux at the moment and went through the "Move to Intelligent" process in the app, adding my Tesla and doing a test charge. This generated a schedule for charging this afternoon, although it hasn't actually started yet.

The account page still shows Flux. So what tariff am I actually on? Intelligent for import and Flux for export? Or Flux for both with just intelligent charging periods during the day?
I switched from Go to IO late last week and it took 5 days to show as my new tariff. The switch was effective once I had completed all the setup steps but takes some time to show for some reason. This is a long thread but you will see reading back that it has been mentioned. If like me you are worried, I suggest calling. I have always been happy with their CS people if you are patient and willing to wait on the phone to get someone.

I called to make sure my export rate was the 15p, which the CS person did on the phone for me as it hadn't been done automatically.
 
I'm a bit confused about the switch from an existing Octopus tariff to Intelligent. I'm on Flux at the moment and went through the "Move to Intelligent" process in the app, adding my Tesla and doing a test charge. This generated a schedule for charging this afternoon, although it hasn't actually started yet.

The account page still shows Flux. So what tariff am I actually on? Intelligent for import and Flux for export? Or Flux for both with just intelligent charging periods during the day?
I switched from Go to IO and if you don't get a confirmation email and a change of tariff in the app, it hasn't worked properly. Best thing to do is to call them and ask. I was told "it's a beta tariff so things go wrong". When should it stop being a beta tariff? It's been live for over a year. Have they got Tesla software engineers working on it?
 
I switched from Go to IO and if you don't get a confirmation email and a change of tariff in the app, it hasn't worked properly. Best thing to do is to call them and ask. I was told "it's a beta tariff so things go wrong". When should it stop being a beta tariff? It's been live for over a year. Have they got Tesla software engineers working on it?
Why would Tesla engineers be working on it? It's an Octopus product and it also works outside of the Tesla ecosystem.
 
I've been using IO without any issues since my Zappi was fitted at our new house a couple of months ago, until the last couple of days when it has only given about half the KWh requested. On both occasions I had plugged in and got a charge schedule to take the M3P from ~40% to 85% but only received a charge up to around 62% when I checked around 9 am. On the Octopus App I set Ready By Time to 8 am and on the Tesla App set the max charge to 94% as this has to be above the Octopus App charge limit (set to 85%). I do not have any home batteries or solar panels yet, which could interfere with the Zappi.

As IO has been working perfectly up to now I'm pretty sure I haven't done anything wrong or differently to before. Has anyone got an idea why I didn't receive the requested level of charge?
 
I've been using IO without any issues since my Zappi was fitted at our new house a couple of months ago, until the last couple of days when it has only given about half the KWh requested. On both occasions I had plugged in and got a charge schedule to take the M3P from ~40% to 85% but only received a charge up to around 62% when I checked around 9 am. On the Octopus App I set Ready By Time to 8 am and on the Tesla App set the max charge to 94% as this has to be above the Octopus App charge limit (set to 85%). I do not have any home batteries or solar panels yet, which could interfere with the Zappi.

As IO has been working perfectly up to now I'm pretty sure I haven't done anything wrong or differently to before. Has anyone got an idea why I didn't receive the requested level of charge?
You haven't inadvertently enabled one of the Eco settings on your Zappi for a solar charging have you?

Or possibly the max amps has got itself stuck on 16A on the Tesla app. I've seen that before.
 
You haven't inadvertently enabled one of the Eco settings on your Zappi for a solar charging have you?

Or possibly the max amps has got itself stuck on 16A on the Tesla app. I've seen that before.
I always check the Zapping is set on Fast before plugging in. However, I've just checked my Tesla App and it was set to 16A, so I've reset it to 32A. I'll see what happens tonight, but I'm pretty sure the Tesla/App is usually set to 16A and then automatically goes to 32A when the car starts charging.
 
Quick question on IO settings please. When it says ‘top up charge’ and you select the percentage…is this the amount it will top up to or the amount it will add to the current charge level.

I ask because I set it 65% on my first IO charge and had the charge level in the car set at 70% with the car at 30% SOC when plugged in. The charge went passed 65% and the car stopped it at 70%. It made me question the settings. Was it aiming for 65% soc but there were some synchronisation issues with the app and the car or were my settings trying to add 65% to the existing 30%.

Thanks