I agree good stuff. I do wish he wouldn’t adjust the speed really at all. Also, he rolls through stops signs assuming by pressing the gas. If he is adjusting the speed, etc, is that really self driving? I would think they would want them to not be doing that.
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Confirmed it is rolling through Stop signs. 2ed video at Time Stamp 0:50 it rolls through at about 5MPH and he calls it a California Stop and hits the Report button....Another is it has several instances of "rolling stops" at Stop signs. The speedometer never goes below 5MPH at several Stop signs....
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Curving roads along Laurel & Cold Water Canyon - 2020.44.15.3 - 29 Nov 2020 - 38:07 - James Locke
A few thoughts after watching this.
- Very impressive FSD drive overall.
- There is no question that this version rolls through stop signs routinely.
- Based on this and many other FSD videos it's also clear that this 5th beta version is much better than the previous versions and the pace of improvement seems to be accelerating.
- There are still both basic things (rolling stops, meandering within lanes as Brandon demonstrated, turn signal anomalies, etc.) as well as unknown edge cases that still need to be solved.
- It's seems that the basic functionality is there and this is very close to being ready for 'prime time'. That's pretty exciting in my opinion.
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Add signal light usage. Seems to come on when it shouldn't and doesn't always come on (or goes off) when actually making a turn.
EVNow
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My guess is rolling stops have been configured at 5 mph. They just need to configure the min speed to 0 mph to get to full stop.
Tesla fsd beta handles left and immediate right turn like a champ - 4:08 - Tesla Owners Silicon Valley
powertoold
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still a long way to go IMO (3 months+). Prime time is USA wide. They need to expand to all 50 states first, including nyc Manhattan.
I personally think we are very close. This software is head and shoulder above anything we have in our cars right now.
Question for you all.
If we assume the FSD beta will not be in wide release for holiday update. (Elon's latest tweet seem to suggest that)
My question is will Tesla try to release the "rewrite" without the "FSD beta" to the wide release holiday update?
By "rewrite" I mean the core perception/tracking rewrite and new neural networks and other fundamental changes that result in better perception. However, not releasing the FSD features, I.e. city NoA turning at intersections, roundabouts, holistic path planning (vs lane keeping and not going outside lane)
I would hope that they do, so we have some update. However, some things give me pause. First, it may be a lot of extra dev work and validation to remove the FSD features from the rewrite branch, which they may not see as worth it if public FSD beta isn't too far away. But secondly, even if it's not a lot of extra dev work, just the core rewrite might not be validated enough / still has bugs that it's not ready for public release.
If we assume the FSD beta will not be in wide release for holiday update. (Elon's latest tweet seem to suggest that)
My question is will Tesla try to release the "rewrite" without the "FSD beta" to the wide release holiday update?
By "rewrite" I mean the core perception/tracking rewrite and new neural networks and other fundamental changes that result in better perception. However, not releasing the FSD features, I.e. city NoA turning at intersections, roundabouts, holistic path planning (vs lane keeping and not going outside lane)
I would hope that they do, so we have some update. However, some things give me pause. First, it may be a lot of extra dev work and validation to remove the FSD features from the rewrite branch, which they may not see as worth it if public FSD beta isn't too far away. But secondly, even if it's not a lot of extra dev work, just the core rewrite might not be validated enough / still has bugs that it's not ready for public release.
EVNow
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Its possible - City NOA feature (and some others too) are probably configurable. They can either enable or disable those without affecting other functionality. They may even release some of the items requiring confirmation (like unprotected turns).
Do they though? Right now you can autosteer, lane change, and traffic light control in NYC... it probably doesn't work great a lot of the time.. but I don't think Tesla ever explicitly tested these features in NYC before releasing them
Or just all turns
powertoold
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FSD beta appeared to try to run two red lights in this vid. Not good, and the first time I’ve seen that in any vid, I think. It definitely was running a stop sign in another one of Mr Cook’s vids, also something I haven’t seen in other vids. He’s pretty much the new baseline for me since Brandon’s last vid was a pretty impressive increase in performance.
As he said in the video that was likely because he enabled FSD while at the red light, and using the stalk at a red light is giving your permission to proceed. It probably shouldn't take the enabled depresses as the confirmation to proceed as well, but that is likely a very easy fix.
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