This. One thing that most people aren't talking about is that - while FSD will need to handle every possible scenario - a given driver will likely drive the same routes over and over again. For example, I drive my kids to school every morning. I am going to get a solid understanding of the parts of this drive that FSD struggles with very quickly. I'm also going to learn which portions of the trip it handles with ease. As a result, it will become incredibly useful, at least for large parts of my daily driving.
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This. One thing that most people aren't talking about is that - while FSD will need to handle every possible scenario - a given driver will likely drive the same routes over and over again. For example, I drive my kids to school every morning. I am going to get a solid understanding of the parts of this drive that FSD struggles with very quickly. I'm also going to learn which portions of the trip it handles with ease. As a result, it will become incredibly useful, at least for large parts of my daily driving.
I just want FSD to be map aware. That’s the value in NOA in my use. Now how well it behaves on the route is certainly important, but I’m sure that will improve once we have a fully map aware car.
Then the cars know about upcoming turns, lanes, intersections and can view them with the cameras as they show up. It will be much safer than plain human driving.
Map awareness is the fundamental FSD feature.
Then the features I’d like is avoiding objects in the driving lane,people, bikes, cars, deer, dogs... Those surprises are the most dangerous events in driving. Then Tesla safe driving would be enormous.
Then the cars know about upcoming turns, lanes, intersections and can view them with the cameras as they show up. It will be much safer than plain human driving.
Map awareness is the fundamental FSD feature.
Then the features I’d like is avoiding objects in the driving lane,people, bikes, cars, deer, dogs... Those surprises are the most dangerous events in driving. Then Tesla safe driving would be enormous.
EVNow
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No different than a lane change on freeways. Probably freeway lane change issues are much worse.
EVNow
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That was a statement in jest - to show freeway NOA is equally dangerous but Tesla has enabled it.
Daniel in SD
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Haha. You must do the worlds most violent lane changes. Hitting a vehicle at couple miles an hour going the same direction on a divided highway is way safer than getting t-boned.
I have no idea how good auto lane change really is. I am curious though.
EVNow
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Are you only counting the difference in speed ? I'm looking at actual speeds.
From what I see, most of the city traffic accidents are minor and freeway ones are major.
Yea I am not sure which is more dangerous in this situation. However, I think the risk with the highway lane changes is not the collision itself but what comes after or before the collision... other swerving, going off the road, hitting a barrier, losing control, etc
Daniel in SD
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I think interstates are the safest roads because they are designed not to have stuff you can run into (like bicyclists, pedestrians, hard barriers and oncoming traffic).
https://tripnet.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/TRIP_Interstate_Report_2020.pdf
I have no idea whether or not Tesla is going to release beta-FSD to the fleet. Hopefully they'll achieve robotaxi capability soon and this will all be moot. I was just thinking the other day how awesome it would be to be able to do mountain bike shuttles with one car (though that got me thinking about what would happen if the car got stuck outside of cellphone reception and how I would find it then).
mikes_fsd
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Ah, just a few weeks ago there was hope of the "big guns" giving us the "goods" on all things FSD...
you know remove the veil - or something. Even possibly get to the bottom of that HD maps bs the @verygreen was pushing
Only to find out we are all deemed too stupid to understand the "big guns" big words...
bummer!
you know remove the veil - or something. Even possibly get to the bottom of that HD maps bs the @verygreen was pushing
Only to find out we are all deemed too stupid to understand the "big guns" big words...
bummer!
Knightshade
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Likewise!I've seen any number of posts in this thread that seems to confirm that's accurate
well, I don't actually control the big guns. See that "trying" part in the quoted post? Well, I tried.
When they feel they have something they'll publish it. Right now the direct quote is "All the interesting stuff I’ve found so far would mainly be interesting to a specialist"
mikes_fsd
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Oh, I know, I know...
I think you did great to mask the failure in "trying" with all the good screenshots of options that FSD dev build has.
mikes_fsd
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Speaking of trying....
Have you figured out how Tesla is able to HD Map -- what is it now -- 15 or 16 states in the ~2 months since they released FSD Beta?
oh no, not again LOL
mikes_fsd
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You're right, that is something that Tesla might not "let him see"...
If you don't know what that is a reference to, see this green "gem" for reference:
https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1319363500695785473
it's just a regular dev build. There's no failure (or masking thereof) because I did try to get the people involved, but I don't control them, you know.Oh, I know, I know...
I think you did great to mask the failure in "trying" with all the good screenshots of options that FSD dev build has.
If you (or anybody else) wants to do a dive and produce publicly accessible analysis, info dump could be arranged. I long said I am no NN expert so I myself cannot provide in-depth NN commentary.
This again? You still have not managed to produce comprehensive definition of what constitutes HD maps for you (as a reminder, we already know what Tesla definition is and by their definition the maps they use are not HD maps). And on top of it we already established multiple times that Tesla works without maps, the performance is just degraded and depending on what data is available, navigation capabilities are also degraded..
Also the "2 months" is a strange timeline considering they were gathering detailed data from their fleet since at least 2016.
mikes_fsd
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- The definition is not "for me" but the definition that Tesla uses (the company that you say allows you to see all these wonderful things)
- The definition is simple - it is what Karpathy means in this slide that he used in all his public presentations in 2020
This is at the 5:15 timestamp of CVPR video https: // youtu. be/g2R2T631x7k?t=317
If you miss it ... it's the large "No HD Maps" in red at the bottom of that image...
Knightshade
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