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ibGeek
Member
Done arguing for today. Don't care what you believe personally.
To summarize, I think it would be a very good idea to take the 3K offer while it stands.
If you don't plan to have your car in 2 years, probably not worth the expense.
But if you do, I really think you should.
But hey that's just my opinion. I got FSD when I purchased the car so I'm already set.
To summarize, I think it would be a very good idea to take the 3K offer while it stands.
If you don't plan to have your car in 2 years, probably not worth the expense.
But if you do, I really think you should.
But hey that's just my opinion. I got FSD when I purchased the car so I'm already set.
ibGeek
Member
I disagree with the intent of your post mostly. While at the moment those features don't exist, it is easy to see that you feel they are never coming. I happen to know differently. (I wont expand on that)
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Yes. To clarify my statement above - though I think it was pretty clear - the nags (currently in the form of steering wheel torque sensing) will continue to exist for Tesla's L2 FSD implementation not because they are required by the definition, but because it provides an extra layer of safety and helps ensure appropriate use of the system, where the driver is forced to "constantly supervise" the system, as required for L2. That, and the NHTSA has encouraged more intrusive driver attentiveness systems, based on incidents to-date : "Develop applications to more effectively sense the driver’s level of engagement and alert the driver when engagement is lacking while automated vehicle control systems are in use. " (The NHTSA has also made it clear that it's the driver's responsibility to use the system in a way consistent with guidance and warnings from the manufacturer, irrespective of whether these additional engagement systems have been implemented.)
n2mb_racing
Active Member
Dan_LA
Member
Yea I know, don't cry for spilled milk. But I'm still pissed I am getting 220 miles... when they advertised 310 miles, same range as the LR RWD. Any ideas on how to improve that? I am thinking a front spoiler and lowering the car.
My experience was superb with LR RWD, hence I upgraded it even costing me $80k (tax included), ok net maybe $7500 less taxes, $500 SCE credit... CA because is my 3rd EV I am not allowed, trying to add my wife and use her name on it for this year CA rebate. Now after terrible services on both cars, they were damaged during service, range of 220 miles on a advertised 310 miles car, it does leave a bitter taste.. forget comparing to ICE.
Not sure how to find out, I got my on December 18, 2018... is there any official document from Tesla that FSD will grant HW3 for whoever doesn't have it? I called 3 times and nobody could assured me they just said there is a free HW upgrade for FSD, they said on phone since nobody reply emails on Tesla, not even escalations.
Most likely 70% I will get this FSD before 16th just because of HW3 crap. Can't we just make it modular like a PC?
Bill Foster
I'm going home!
n2mb_racing
Active Member
Huh? 210 miles? Why are you only get 210 mile range? My P3D shows 310 fully charged and my wife's LR RWD shows 319 miles fully charged. I get pretty close to that real-world, though the LR RWD gets better range.
ibGeek
Member
For FSD adjusting for reality. By Q1, maybe Q2 we should see EOP like function in city environment. FSD late 2020.
But changes will come quick once the fleet and software dev are all HW 3.0. Those with HW 2.5 will end up feature locked probably by end of the year.
Chef Brian
Member
I would take it for 3k! I bought my M3P at the end of June and the price dropped $5k for my model in a week or so after delivery. I’ll take a discounted upgrade if they’re just handing them out!
Dmagyar
Member
So a $3,000 bet that FSD will be realized, with the fact that summon isn’t yet released...? When it’s been promised for how long? Theory versus reality...
Plus who’s to say they won’t drop the price again, next time they (Tesla) needs a cash infusion?
When I see a couple riding in the back seat pass me on the road, I’ll think it may be close...Pass.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
He said 220 miles. This is a perfectly reasonable result for a P3D+ traveling on I-15 from Los Angeles to Vegas at 80mph. If you look at his other posts in other threads that is likely the scenario. He may have some minor battery issues but overall this result is pretty reasonable. Off topic; best to discuss in the other thread.
Fernand
Active Member
There are clearly people here who should not buy into high-tech.
Some are temperamentally better off not putting any money
into the hands of explorers who can't precisely tell, or know,
their itinerary. You know, like Christopher Columbus.
Maybe there should be a background check, and those who
think the meaning of words is frozen by a printed dictionary, that
achievements in technology respond to management concepts
like "double the manpower to get it done twice as fast", who believe
that human give and take is best handled by lawyers, or who buy on
stretched margin and can't afford some ups and downs, these people
should not be buying into any high tech, as they will inevitably feel
abused, disappointed and will only poison the waters for others.
For some, 97% is scandalously, inexcusably, short of 100%, and
adds to their misery. For others it's inspiring, pretty damned useful,
and adds 97 points daily to their joy of living. To each his own.
Some are temperamentally better off not putting any money
into the hands of explorers who can't precisely tell, or know,
their itinerary. You know, like Christopher Columbus.
Maybe there should be a background check, and those who
think the meaning of words is frozen by a printed dictionary, that
achievements in technology respond to management concepts
like "double the manpower to get it done twice as fast", who believe
that human give and take is best handled by lawyers, or who buy on
stretched margin and can't afford some ups and downs, these people
should not be buying into any high tech, as they will inevitably feel
abused, disappointed and will only poison the waters for others.
For some, 97% is scandalously, inexcusably, short of 100%, and
adds to their misery. For others it's inspiring, pretty damned useful,
and adds 97 points daily to their joy of living. To each his own.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
97% FSD is a reasonable expectation IMHO. Though whether or not that will be legal on public roads is another question. The problem is many people are expecting 99.9999% FSD which is about what is required to not require a driver.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
I think it's totally fine for people to buy into this, eyes wide open, for whatever reason they want. To support the development, to have a cool toy, to be able to track progress, to get the latest 3.0 hardware which might improve safety, to get the FSD features, etc.
There just seems to be a lot of confusion about what is actually being promised here - and it is not really due to Tesla's website...it has to do with the social media pronouncements by various people
, talk of robotaxis, Tesla YouTube fans, the media representations of what is being delivered, people's misperception of what the cars can do, etc.I think as long as people realize that FSD is being promised as an L2 system for the city which can recognize and respond to street signs and lights and do "automatic" driving on city streets (and highways of course), and understand that "automatic" driving means the features "require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous," then people can proceed with their purchase, eyes wide open.
Will it progress beyond that? Maybe, someday! Is Tesla required to provide that progress to FSD owners, if it turns out the current hardware (with HW 3.0) can't do L3/L4/L5? No. Tesla can (and will!) come out with products with more capable hardware (better radars, better cameras, etc.) that can do L3/L4/L5 in the future, call it something else, say FSD 2.0, and there is no obligation for them to provide compensation for people purchasing FSD under the current description, which will not be as capable.
In the event the current hardware (HW 3.0 + sensing suite) turns out to not be capable of "achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers," there's no reason Tesla will need to update it, and no requirement for them to do so, as long as they have delivered the L2 automatic driving capabilities in the city with that hardware. The statement of this possibility is right there in the description of the product.
That's my take on it, anyway.
None of the above means you shouldn't buy it of course! It's a personal decision, and there are a lot of reasons to spend $3k on it - just have to understand what you're buying, and what the future holds, as with any product. Technology will march on and cars will truly drive themselves at some point - but Tesla's FSD is not promising to deliver that.
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BlufftonBob
Member
So I got the email and the problem is I already purchased FSD for both my MS 75D AP2 and MS 100D AP2.5. The left hand doesn't" know what the right hand is doing.
EVNow
Well-Known Member
What is EAP supposed to give anyway (I guess that depends on when you bought it).
I don't remember City NOA ever being promised for EAP. This is what I expect with FSD in the next year or so.
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