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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking 12.4.x is coming autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass elon rocks fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd doesn't read signs properly fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd stops when there is zero visibility fsd tailgating in city streets fsd very slow at stops fsd will never enable l3 with hw4
PianoAl
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On FSD yesterday, the car actually got out of the left (passing) lane on its own. Twice. I was like, "Whoa!"
This was on a 50 MPH section that had crossroads.
Later, on the limited access 65 MPH section it stayed in the left lane for miles even when someone came up behind me (and tailgated).
What do think the difference was?
This was on a 50 MPH section that had crossroads.
Later, on the limited access 65 MPH section it stayed in the left lane for miles even when someone came up behind me (and tailgated).
What do think the difference was?
PianoAl
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Here's what I guess happened there. The car was driving below the speed limit on a straightaway, so the driver pressed the accelerator briefly. The car then sped up and failed to slow down for the curve. That's something I've observed.
Code sync up guys
Just got 2024.14/12.3.6
Are we next going to 2024.20/12.4?
Can’t wait to do the next wave of edge case testing
Mine is unguided and miss aligned intersection
With no lead vehicle, very repeatable, FSD has to include mapped data
Just got 2024.14/12.3.6
Are we next going to 2024.20/12.4?
Can’t wait to do the next wave of edge case testing
Mine is unguided and miss aligned intersection
With no lead vehicle, very repeatable, FSD has to include mapped data
These are neural networks and especially with 12.x end-to-end, you need to think about things as probabilities more than is something supported or not. Even with 11.x visualizations rendering painted lane turn arrows, these can be missing or predicted as the wrong type, e.g., straight/turn vs turn. Internally to 12.x, there could be a similar turn lane prediction based on painted arrows on the ground or other signage, and there's the additional control prediction of whether to follow those.
I have an intersection just after a bridge/overpass that 12.3.6 wants to get into the right-most lane for an upcoming turn that is actually at a later intersection. Potentially this incorrect behavior is based on incomplete map data, but I've noticed it stop trying to switch lanes after seeing a "right lane must turn right" sign about halfway over the bridge. It could be coincidence with enough visibility of the upcoming intersection for it to realize it shouldn't get into the right-most lane anymore, but the painted turn arrows only show up much later as well as shorter dashed lines followed by solid white lines. Whatever it's detecting seems to be enough to eventually be in the correct lane in this case.
zoomer0056
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Interesting! TeslaInfo shows 2023.44 as the latest map data. But it's the internet, could be fake or at best outdated.
Current Tesla Software releases mix for the entire Tesla fleet
These are the current Active Tesla software releases for Model All All year and All region
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Because not every sign or road marking is the same, and depending on traffic it may not even ever see the painted turn arrow on the ground. (That is part of why having a map input as a hint is helpful.)
TeslaFi doesn't show any North American vehicles updated to the 2024 maps yet either. But they do show updates for Europe and Australia.Interesting! TeslaInfo shows 2023.44 as the latest map data. But it's the internet, could be fake or at best outdated.
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Current Tesla Software releases mix for the entire Tesla fleet
These are the current Active Tesla software releases for Model All All year and All region
I think the NA-2024.8 version has just started to trickle out, it may be a while before it goes wide.
zoomer0056
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Yep. But the majority of the Tesla fleet doesn't report to TeslaFi, or other online services, so it may be a while before they see the new maps.
And until they go wider we won't know if the updated maps require newer firmware. (Like the new maps might only go to vehicles on 2024.14 or newer.)
zoomer0056
Active Member
Yup. These services and how the cars are connected is pretty cool ... but not the complete picture. TMC can add a little more info.
I'm jealous! Just completed a 3800 mile trip, never moved to the right on it's own once and even approaching cars didn't force the move. Mine used to move to the right for tailgating cars at least, no more....
That sucks, them taking away AutoPilot as well as FSD.The FSD button was automatically disabled when I got 5 strikes. Both Autopilot and FSD buttons are disabled now for the week.
It is not fair, that not only Tesla took one week off of FSD usage ($25 worth) from my monthly subscription, they even disabled Autopilot usage too.
I'm not sure it is "unfair" exactly. To get FSD, we all agree explicitly to pay attention at all times, and we get strikes for not paying attention. The strike process is described in the release notes which you implicitly agreed to. So, when you do not comply, it technically is fair for Tesla to revoke the privilege, even though you paid for it.
There have been reports of folks abusing the standard AutoPilot with steering wheel weights, back seat "driving" etc. I wonder if Tesla is considering adding the strike count and penalty to AutoPilot as they have in FSD. The current penalty of disabling AP for the rest of the drive is easily overcome by stopping and putting the car in park momentarily. A week off might be a more effective incentive.
Had a new behavior for me this morning - was in the right lane for an upcoming freeway entrance. Traffic was backed up a little, and there was a strip mall with a few cars waiting to turn right. FSDS slowed down, and left a big gap for a waiting car, and once he went, FSDS pulled up and filled in the gap. Was a very polite thing to do.
Any chance you had the average setting on when on the highway? I've found assertive stays in the passing lane but average will usually move over if there is a car behind me. The setting will change when you right click on the scroll wheel if you're in chill or average. It will move one position to the right. Same holds true if you click the scroll wheel to the left. Your situation sounds different though.
It appears that the "tester" group are not being updated to 2024.14.x . You own update history would tell if you are in the tester group or not. The testers and the main branch have had different sequences of updates. The latest tester update appears to have been 2024.3.25 and they appear to being held there.
If the pattern continues, several releases of 12.4.x will go to testers before the main branch receives a version of 12.4.
Time will tell. But Tesla won't tell before time. ;-)
