stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
That's a fail compilation, so it's going to be biased, but still some of the fails are surprising. The EQS and Lucid are loaded to the gills with sensors. Goes to show it's not about the sensors, but the software.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking 12.4.x is coming autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass elon rocks fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd doesn't read signs properly fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd stops when there is zero visibility fsd tailgating in city streets fsd very slow at stops fsd will never enable l3 with hw4
FSDtester#1
Large Member
Yes, for years apparently.. what a d bag...
That is what I have been stating for the last 3 years. It is not lack of data but the decisions that are still being developed. Even the 5mp HW3 cameras are capturing more data than we know what to do with it. Adding more sensors and higher pixels is not going to get us there any faster.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Sure, that was a little spastic.
They’ll just dial that down and ship it though. Just need to get back to missing turns and they’ll be fine.
This looks like fire. Guess I’ll have to take a close look at videos and see whether the 5x reduction is a lock.
Lol, ok. Do explain now that I am disqualified. I fail to see how it matters whether a slow reaction is due to hardware or software. We’re not talking about fixing it!
fasteddie7
Active Member
Nope. Didn’t work. I’ll check my x when I get home. If it’s stuck in the past I’ll know it’s a bug.
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LSDTester#1
In large quantities Member
Are you grounded by your wife for staying in the car the whole night to check SW update?
Ben W
Chess Grandmaster (Supervised)
AEB performance by most manufacturers is abysmally poor, no question. This has very little bearing on reaction time though, which is what we were trying to figure out. A slow-ish one-second reaction time is probably plenty good enough for these specific tests as shown; what they're testing is whether the cars properly react, not how quickly they react. Most of the cars clearly see the danger (and sound warning tones) well in advance, but fail to brake. So it's a control issue, not a sensor issue. A confounding factor is that AEB is quite different from autonomous driving; some AEB systems are deliberately designed not to completely avoid a collision, but merely to reduce the impact speed. But an autonomous system should be designed to completely avoid the collision, of course.
Ultimately, the question is how quickly the system can gain certainty that an unusual response (in this case emergency braking) is the correct course of action. With pure vision in a difficult environment (low light, rain, etc.), even if the occupancy network pops up a potential obstacle in 10ms, it may be difficult to distinguish a false-positive (phantom braking) from a true-positive (AEB required), so more processing and latency will be required to gain the necessary amount of certainty. This is where e.g. Lidar can be hugely helpful; in principle it can provide that certainty much faster than pure vision.
PianoAl
Active Member
Concerning VBAM (Vision-Based Attention Monitoring), NotATeslaApp says:
"This means that legacy vehicles are ineligible for the new VBAM ..."
Which vehicles are "Legacy vehicles"?
"This means that legacy vehicles are ineligible for the new VBAM ..."
Which vehicles are "Legacy vehicles"?
gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
Ben W
Chess Grandmaster (Supervised)
Lucid has a ton of sensors, but not all of them are activated. I was also surprised to learn (at a showroom recently) that most of their fleet actually doesn't have Lidar installed. I would have expected they would all have Lidar just to gather fleet data like Tesla does, but apparently not. Only cars with the highest-end DreamDrive package are getting physical Lidar, at least for now.
OTOH, once L4 autonomy is "solved", these early Lucids (back to 2021) should be able to support it, due to their extensive hardware suite. Whereas Teslas with HW3 or HW4 may never be able to, if the ultimate solution does turn out to require Lidar/radar. So it's about both sensors and software. EQS/Lucid currently have better sensors, Tesla has better software. But software is much more easily upgradeable/retrofittable than hardware.
PianoAl
Active Member
A study showed that Amazon customers were happiest in the period between the purchase and delivery. That is, while awaiting the arrival of their product.
I bet the same is true of Tesla owners awaiting the arrival of the next update.
I bet the same is true of Tesla owners awaiting the arrival of the next update.
gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
Not me, not happy until I have 12.4, then after I get that won’t be happy until I get 12.5
zoomer0056
Active Member
Very surprising.
I started looking through the replies on X and most are positive in support of the defeat device.
Yup ... a douche bag none the less.
gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
I heard that if it’s been a long time since your vehicle has checked for an update it’s because Tesla is holding back checking your vehicle because they are sending you an update soon so there’s no need for your vehicle to check for an update before then
So the longer it’s been since your vehicle has checked for an update the sooner you will be getting the update GL all
Me and fasteddie have the longest time since last check up I believe
So the longer it’s been since your vehicle has checked for an update the sooner you will be getting the update GL all
Me and fasteddie have the longest time since last check up I believe
That is why FSD speed is slowed down in bad vision weather just like how humans do.
That being said, even a car with LiDAR and RADAR will have to slow down in bad weather, not because it cannot detect objects but because it still needs to use vision to identify the road, the lanes, the signs everything else that is made for human vision.
Mine shows the software is up to date as of 8 May, doesn't change after reboot. This is strange so I tried the service request route and was told all is OK, I have the latest version. Funny how the date doesn't update as it always used to though....
Edit: "Me and fasteddie have the longest time since last check up I believe" NOPE! I seem to hold the current record....
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