Maybe I'm thinking of another car, but I thought Tesla doesn't have a blind spot indicator, so it uses the visualization and highlights the car in red with am audible alert.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd doesn't read signs properly fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
sleepydoc
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The car was passing me so it was obviously traveling faster than I was. I saw the car approaching and had the camera set in position then watched the car approach in my mirrors, snapping the picture when it crossed my bumper line. If anything it may have been a bit farther forward.
Even as a secondary it’s inadequate at best if not dangerous. It suffers from the same fault that the repeater cameras do - it forces you to look away from the lane to which you are merging.
zoomer0056
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I don't dissagree. To me the visualization is a guide that gives general situational awareness. There are the blind spot camera, red warning strip and an audible specifically for blind spot collision warning. In addition, there's the red highlighted vehicle in the visualization that may or may not be shown in its actual position relative to ego.
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zoomer0056
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My 2022 MSLR on 2024.20.1 has camera views that come up when a turn signal is actuated. If there is an impending collision with a lane change, the visualization on the DIC will show a red vehicle, there will also be a red strip on the blind spot camera view and there will be an audible alert. If your car is a Highland, a blind spot led in the A pillar will light up.
Your photo would have been more convincing if it had the mirror and visualization in the same shot.
Or even split screen with the camera app, though I find it can be difficult gauging distance with the cameras.
And when you check your shoulder, you are looking away from what's in front of you. I prefer checking the screen (for camera or visualization) because there is not much transition between windshield and screen, as opposed to turning your head completely away from the road in front of you then back.
zoomer0056
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I hope the blind spot safety warnings would have activated if the turn signal was activated. Red car on the visualization, red strip on the blind spot camera view and an audible. If not, then we are all doomed.
sleepydoc
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Yeah - I don’t know because I didn’t try to merge!
Sorry - that’s the best I could do while driving and not being dangerous!Your photo would have been more convincing if it had the mirror and visualization in the same shot.
Or even split screen with the camera app, though I find it can be difficult gauging distance with the cameras.
And when you check your shoulder, you are looking away from what's in front of you. I prefer checking the screen (for camera or visualization) because there is not much transition between windshield and screen, as opposed to turning your head completely away from the road in front of you then back.
I have my driver’s side wing mirror set to cover the blind spot so all I need to do is turn my head sightly. I can then see the blind spot in the mirror. As the car leaves the area covered by the mirror it enters my peripheral vision. With the mirrors adjusted like this I can easily cover my blind spot without taking my eyes off the road. This also lets me check the next lane over if I’m on a 3 lane road.
zoomer0056
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The blind spot warnings don't require an actual merge and only alert if the turn signal is activated.
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jgleigh
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PACEMD
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PACEMD
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And if you don't have any friends can you just pay some churchy people to do the walkabout? Asking for a friend..........if I had one..........
Which is what those mirrors are for, but that's certainly not universal knowledge. They should always have been called "blind spot mirrors".
sleepydoc
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Good to see you back - I was worried that you forgot to put on your blast shield when doing @FSDtester#1 ’s colonoscopy…
Something has changed with FSD and recent updates (including spring update)...maybe just with the highway stack (which is still V11?).
I was on the highway and navigation was correct going straight but FSD turned on the turn signal and was exiting on a turnpike (I have avoid tolls enabled) - which is another way to go, but even navigation was still going straight. I have seen videos of FSD not following navigation and doing some good maneuvers, but shouldn't it follow navigation (especially on highway V11 stack)?
Most of my disengagements are navigation - the car can drive, but doesn't always know which lane to be in or even continue following navigation. This is very confusing on what to predict....especially when the FSD version has not changed but has different behaviors.
I assume navigation is just more training needed for V12 as it is still new. Overall some of this can appear bad because city and highway stack are not merged yet and judging V12 based on changes to FSD highway stack (V11?) is misleading. Looking forward to 12.5/.6 merge and more training completed to understand behaviors better so I know what the car plans to do before doing it.
I was on the highway and navigation was correct going straight but FSD turned on the turn signal and was exiting on a turnpike (I have avoid tolls enabled) - which is another way to go, but even navigation was still going straight. I have seen videos of FSD not following navigation and doing some good maneuvers, but shouldn't it follow navigation (especially on highway V11 stack)?
Most of my disengagements are navigation - the car can drive, but doesn't always know which lane to be in or even continue following navigation. This is very confusing on what to predict....especially when the FSD version has not changed but has different behaviors.
I assume navigation is just more training needed for V12 as it is still new. Overall some of this can appear bad because city and highway stack are not merged yet and judging V12 based on changes to FSD highway stack (V11?) is misleading. Looking forward to 12.5/.6 merge and more training completed to understand behaviors better so I know what the car plans to do before doing it.
Same here. Most of my remaining challenges are on the v11 highway stack so I'm really looking forward to the merge and shakedown of known bugs. Given the current delays on 12.4 I suspect we may not see the merge (12.5 ?) before September/October.
Daniel in SD
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Justifiably so. How long could it possibly take to get the first 9? 
AlanSubie4Life
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Justifiably so. How long could it possibly take to get the first 9?
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This is such stupid misinterpretation of the law.
Law requires you to stop at the line because it does not want you to go ahead and get into an accident. It is like the line of last defense. It also does not mean that you can stop 30 feet away and claim you stopped for the STOP sign. Sigh....
"If there is no line, they should stop as close as possible while still having a clear view of the intersection"
The language of a statute should not be given a literal meaning if doing so would result in absurd consequences which the Legislature did not intend
AlanSubie4Life
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I'm not sure what you're saying. It's super unclear. I was just saying that it is important to stop at the line if there is one and you don't want to get a ticket. Enforcement may vary, but my understanding is that that is the correct place to stop when a line is present (if there is not a line, then you use the crosswalk, or failing that, stop where you have a clear view). You can & should also stop elsewhere, in addition, if conditions warrant.
Anyway, rather than typing more, just refer to the opinion of the appeals court. They discuss the relevant considerations.
Agreed.
Agreed.
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