FSD v12.x (end to end AI)

[gsmith123]

When Elon says "interventions" I assume he means "safety critical interventions", or cases where the car does significantly the wrong thing. Otherwise it doesn't really make sense to say fewer interventions but less smoothness.

The vast majority of my interventions are pretty minor things, typically not safety related, but annoying none the less. Some are smoothness related, some hesitancy / acceleration related (I guess you could call that "smoothness"), some are lane selection related, etc.

I do find 12.3.6 to be very smooth laterally, but quite terrible longitudinally (acceleration / braking).

 

[kabin]

Elon recently said this weekend for Tesla employees. Appears that may have happened. Still need confirmation.

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Yep, it was delayed after all.

Fear not, it has "far fewer interventions."

 

[enemji]

despite v12 2024.14.9 my FSD is still 12.3.6

I was highway driving again yesterday and this FSD continues to exhibit the infuriating habit of staying close to the inside of a lane and WORSE it drifts EVEN CLOSER if a car is passing me.

Sticking to traffic aware cruise control until 12.4.x shows up for me.

Recalibrate your cameras

 

[gsmith123]

v12 (12.3.6) is all over the place in lane positioning for me. Quite annoying. On highway where it reverts back to v11 it's normal (which is to say virtually perfect at lane positioning on straights), so I don't think it's a camera calibration issue.

 

[fasteddie7]

I like the “(improvements are) very difficult to achieve without upgrading the vehicle inference computer” part of that statement. Sounds highly technical lol.

 

[kabin]

When Elon says "interventions" I assume he means "safety critical interventions", or cases where the car does significantly the wrong thing. Otherwise it doesn't really make sense to say fewer interventions but less smoothness.

The vast majority of my interventions are pretty minor things, typically not safety related, but annoying none the less. Some are smoothness related, some hesitancy / acceleration related (I guess you could call that "smoothness"), some are lane selection related, etc.

I do find 12.3.6 to be very smooth laterally, but quite terrible longitudinally (acceleration / braking).

Yep, longitudinally braking and acceleration feels like a hodgepodge of logic strung together. Stiff braking early then abrupt let off, then another round of slightly less harsh braking, followed by slow meandering to a stop. Same thing for acceleration. Why they couldn't figure it out in advance or recognize it during road tests after all these releases is beyond me.

 

[Tronguy]

When Elon says "interventions" I assume he means "safety critical interventions", or cases where the car does significantly the wrong thing. Otherwise it doesn't really make sense to say fewer interventions but less smoothness.

The vast majority of my interventions are pretty minor things, typically not safety related, but annoying none the less. Some are smoothness related, some hesitancy / acceleration related (I guess you could call that "smoothness"), some are lane selection related, etc.

I do find 12.3.6 to be very smooth laterally, but quite terrible longitudinally (acceleration / braking).

I dunno. I think I'd take his "interventions" as, well, "interventions". Your adding "safety critical" to the word is you putting words in somebody else's mouth.

I intervene when the car is doing something wrong, period. Wrong lanes; not handling a turn properly; getting stuck in traffic going past rapidly that the car could, in theory, power up and merge into, but won't unless there's a big delay, and so on. Yep, there's the occasional "safety" in there. But if Elon's saying he's going after "interventions", then I'd strongly guess that he's going after a bunch of them, and not just any "safety critical" ones.

 

[FSDtester#1]

I dunno. I think I'd take his "interventions" as, well, "interventions". Your adding "safety critical" to the word is you putting words in somebody else's mouth.

I intervene when the car is doing something wrong, period. Wrong lanes; not handling a turn properly; getting stuck in traffic going past rapidly that the car could, in theory, power up and merge into, but won't unless there's a big delay, and so on. Yep, there's the occasional "safety" in there. But if Elon's saying he's going after "interventions", then I'd strongly guess that he's going after a bunch of them, and not just any "safety critical" ones.

I'm just amused that I beat Sawyer to the scoop by about 2 hours.
Guess my "insiders" are better. Maybe I could Shill for a living !!!
Either way, at least we know it's real and not imaginary any more.

 

[fasteddie7]

I'm just amused that I beat Sawyer to the scoop by about 2 hours.
Guess my "insiders" are better. Maybe I could Shill for a living !!!
Either way, at least we know it's real and not imaginary any more.

More important than the smoothness, are the model x wide open doors and adaptive headlights and auto shift included in this.

 

[FSDtester#1]

More important than the smoothness, are the model x wide open doors and adaptive headlights and auto shift included in this.

Funny you mention the headlights, my MS has always had the lights shining brighter in the direction of the yoke. This isn't new for me. Auto shift has not worked in our current release once though.

 

[gsmith123]

Why they couldn't figure it out in advance or recognize it during road tests after all these releases is beyond me.

It would be pretty unbelievable that they don't know - it's just a hard a problem I guess.

I dunno. I think I'd take his "interventions" as, well, "interventions". Your adding "safety critical" to the word is you putting words in somebody else's mouth.

That's fair, I'm totally putting words in his mouth. But Elon isn't the most precise communicator at times.

I think what I'm skeptical of is if I got an FSD release that was worse on smoothness it would 100% cause me to make more interventions. I'm struggling to imagine how intervention rate could go down if smoothness is noticeably improved. Maybe if they resolved a bunch of cases where the car smoothly does the wrong thing (lane selection comes to mind).

I'm also having trouble reconciling AI Drivrs experience with excessive lane changes. Those were smooth but would cause interventions.

 

[gottagofast]

Regular people should start getting 4.2 mondayish

 

[gottagofast]

I like the “(improvements are) very difficult to achieve without upgrading the vehicle inference computer” part of that statement. Sounds highly technical lol.

Yea once you get to 90% good it’s hard to improve the last 10%

 

[dhanson865]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1807572992722956649

So the majority of the fleet won't get it because they are on 24.20 and the new FSD will be on 24.15.

 

[gsmith123]

I'm still on 2024.14.9, I thought most FSD testers were in the same boat

 

[dhanson865]

I'm still on 2024.14.9, I thought most FSD testers were in the same boat

There are old testers and new testers. A lot of people that got their first taste of FSD in 12.3.3 will want to try 12.4.x asap but if they ended up back on the main branch after letting the monthly subscription lapse, they have a longer wait ahead.

 

[FSDtester#1]

So the majority of the fleet won't get it because they are on 24.20 and the new FSD will be on 24.15.

Correct, which is why you want to be on 2024.14.9 right now.
Anyone who got moved up to the .20 branch will be waiting a while for the newer versions.

 

[Mardak]

There are old testers and new testers

Where old testers are typically those who had paid for FSD Capability while new testers got it via the free trial that is most likely lapsed. Tesla sends FSD-focused updates to those with FSD Capability and avoids upgrading them past the next planned FSD version, which is currently 2024.15.10 / 12.4.2 and why those without FSD Capability active have been moved to 2024.20.x.

 

[FSDtester#1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1807640907799486874

 

[FSDtester#1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1807641693354664161