Todd Burch
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It happens much more than people’s hatred allows them to accept.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
Probably employees, Chuck Cook said the ADAS drivers testing his turn haven't been around for a few days so work seems done on it.
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Once the speed is fixed, my next major disengagement cause is ironically going to be stuff like this:
There are a HUGE number of shockingly bad routing errors in the mapping near my house. We need a way to report and fix these.
For the record, a U-turn at this intersection would not only be illegal, but would possibly result in your untimely premature death--if not from a car accident, than from the resulting road rage.
There are a HUGE number of shockingly bad routing errors in the mapping near my house. We need a way to report and fix these.
For the record, a U-turn at this intersection would not only be illegal, but would possibly result in your untimely premature death--if not from a car accident, than from the resulting road rage.
Looks like customers. Tesla scope account is bumping their posts.
Im not in a rush to get it though, I’m happy to have 12 finally.
I will not post any v12.3 issue anymore because I just got notification for v12.3.1 update.
Wow, just got notice to download 2023.44.30.30, v12.3.1
Pdubs
Ingesting large quantities of LSD
Daytime. 12.3 definitely shown a couple-three improvements over 11.4.9, as follows:
- There's this road, one nominal lane each direction, with a double yellow down the middle. A local freeway has an exit onto this road, starting with one lane, splitting to two lanes, with the right lane going right and the left lane going left, and with traffic lights stopping all traffic until the light changes. The main road has a 45 mph speed limit (set by signs), but Google Maps thinks it's 25 mph. NAV had 12.3 going left, which it did. All the cars in the line were chugging along at 35-40 mph after the turn - and, in auto, the car followed at that speed. So, the follow-the-car-and-go-their-speed function negated needing to madly rotate the speed thumb wheel.
- Further up, same road, still 45 mph. There's more or less a fork in the road, but the road painting and such has the majority of traffic going towards the right. There's (nearly) always a line of cars waiting to turn left and go off that-a-way, with the road being very wide, with no lane markings, allowing traffic going to the right to bypass the left-turners. With 11.4.9 and earlier, the car running FSD tended to get in line behind the crowd of one or more cars and wait for them to move out of the way before continuing straight. With 12.3 today, with a line of five or so cars waiting, FSD slowed a bit, saw the more-than-a-lane width on the right, and, slowing a bit more, went past all those cars on the right without stopping, jerking, or freaking out in any way. That's a first. Then picked up speed and kept on chugging.
- 12.3 fixed a regression. Kind of. There's an unprotected left turn from a two-lane road with a double yellow onto a local road. That road on the left terminates onto the two-lane road; but, about 10 yards or so before that intersection, there's a road on the right that also terminates onto the two-lane road. Consistently, with 11.4.9, the existence of this road on the right when the car was supposed to go left did something strange: The car would jerk the steering wheel madly, half-halt, jerk forward, and generally make a nuisance of itself to all traffic within 150 yards or so. Clearly, something wrong with the code. If one intervened, about 1/4 of the time one would get the red hands of death and all. In 12.3, none of that: The car came to a smooth halt, waited for traffic to clear, and smoothly turned left. Only complaint: It could have halted a bit more towards the center line, allowing cars coming up behind one to pass on the right; there's room. Still, given the absolute zaniness of 11.4.9 at this intersection, I count this one as a win.
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FSDtester#1
Craves Electrolytes
Time to go wake Ohm My up... see what happens
Yes, I'm assuming the lead vehicle is in hard brake mode which seems pretty accurate from the sounds of the driver like you said. Those wide angle lens make it tricky to judge distance.
lol. You must have “Scenic route” selected.
Only got 12.3 last night so I wonder how long it will take them to roll this out to the majority of testers again haha
AlanSubie4Life
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There was no emergency here. The car created the emergency by not easing off as soon as brake lights appeared (this is what normal attentive drivers do, even if they don't use the friction brakes).
Videos are extremely misleading in distances to vehicles, deceleration rates, etc. It's the whole reason people thought 12.x would be "really good," including stopping behavior (even though it was obvious from videos weeks ago that it would probably not be). Until you make a project of it, measure distances, look at deceleration rates, etc. (all possible from this video), it's a little hard to see how severe an event this was. Someone veering off the road behind (they weren't that close, but many people react this way for some reason) indicates it was a pretty quick stop (plus the stuff flying around the cabin). You never want to be in that situation - you want to leave enough margin to the vehicle in front so that you can potentially accelerate out of the way of someone who does not see you stopping (obviously in an emergency only), to mitigate or prevent a rear-end collision.
If the driver thought the car reacted appropriately, I think they're somewhat detached from how they themselves drive. "Autopilot had to stop that hard" - no it did not.
Main things here were to actually have a decent following distance (2 seconds excessively close in this situation), anticipate construction slowdown by offsetting in lane so lead traffic is more visible, and reacting to brake lights when they appear. That would have let to a better time for all involved. No friction brakes were needed.
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FSDtester#1
Craves Electrolytes
? Lol
FSDtester#1
Craves Electrolytes
It would be nice to go to a 2024 branch.
Could be assuming v12.3 response can be refined to respond faster. So far it seems to be a hard limit.
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