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Heated steering wheel. Am I going to get my hands on one?

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No I am sorry I don't get this. We are ordering a car (P85D in my case) that is revolutionary in virtually every aspect and you worry about a heated steering wheel option? Before I read this I never even realised that you could get this feature on a car.

I appreciate a lot of you are veteran Model S owners and the magic may have worn off a bit so these things become important.

1) The magic doesn't wear off--at least it hasn't for me yet--but cold hands do remind you every time that the steering wheel doesn't heat. Yes, it's not a showstopper, but it does impact range because if you had a heated steering wheel, you'd hardly ever need to run the cabin heater.

2) People look at the sticker price and compare the Model S with other cars that have the same sticker price when they really should be comparing it with cars that have a much lower sticker price because of the battery cost included in the car.

3) ICE cars haven't changed substantially in 100 years, so the only innovations that can be done are items such as heated steering wheels. This means that cars at a very low price point have these features--at least optionally--and people, understandably, fail to see why a car costing 3x or 4x doesn't have them. It's perhaps not fair, but the world isn't fair.

4) With any high-tech purchase, if you can buy it, it's already obsolete. So folks who purchase just before the next innovation tend to get upset. There's no way to solve this problem other than to hold off on purchasing, but as innovations will never stop you could hold off forever and not get the enjoyment. It's basically a timing thing. Tesla can't publish a timeline because if they did they would be subject to the Osborne effect where no one would buy the current car because of waiting for the next one. You can see this very clearly in iPhone sales which drop dramatically in the two quarters before a release. Apple can survive that purchase cycle model--Tesla can't.
 
1) The magic doesn't wear off--at least it hasn't for me yet--but cold hands do remind you every time that the steering wheel doesn't heat. Yes, it's not a showstopper, but it does impact range because if you had a heated steering wheel, you'd hardly ever need to run the cabin heater.

2) People look at the sticker price and compare the Model S with other cars that have the same sticker price when they really should be comparing it with cars that have a much lower sticker price because of the battery cost included in the car.

3) ICE cars haven't changed substantially in 100 years, so the only innovations that can be done are items such as heated steering wheels. This means that cars at a very low price point have these features--at least optionally--and people, understandably, fail to see why a car costing 3x or 4x doesn't have them. It's perhaps not fair, but the world isn't fair.

4) With any high-tech purchase, if you can buy it, it's already obsolete. So folks who purchase just before the next innovation tend to get upset. There's no way to solve this problem other than to hold off on purchasing, but as innovations will never stop you could hold off forever and not get the enjoyment. It's basically a timing thing. Tesla can't publish a timeline because if they did they would be subject to the Osborne effect where no one would buy the current car because of waiting for the next one. You can see this very clearly in iPhone sales which drop dramatically in the two quarters before a release. Apple can survive that purchase cycle model--Tesla can't.
Why can't they survive announcing hardware release changes?
Tesla announced the P85D in advance and survived the process. Bearing in mind they are not demand constrained and delivery time frames are still in the order of months, I don't see an immediate reason why this would be a problem (though I'm very aware that there are probably dozens of factors that I'm not aware of). To use the latest surprise feature example, while I still think that the release of a brand new car should have included the very latest feature stack from day 1, not day 14, lets say we were in a normal delivery cycle: Tesla states that as of December 8 we will have release x.x which will include a heated steering wheel feature. Owners who didn't care or who didn't have the winter package could get their cars earlier than usual, owners who did care about the feature could wait for it. It appears that there are enough differing opinions on the merit of these features that I think production would continue at a similar pace with little or no loss. I suppose what happens with conventional cars is that they end up with a bunch of cars left over that they have to "discount"; however, Tesla builds to order so this is usually not going to happen. I think they could time price increases with incremental hardware versions too which would give customers another incentive to buy before the version change.
I don't think you can use other high tech purchases to justify the Tesla model as virtually every product I can think of - provides some kind of hardware change warning. The Tesla random upgrade model is bound to cause problems for anyone who is in the "just missed the feature by a week" camp. Some people will talk about why they should accept this why it shouldn't be a big deal, and why this is the Tesla way, but human nature is such that many people will still be annoyed to find out that they randomly missed a feature by a day or a week - particularly if its a feature they were interested in.
 
Why can't they survive announcing hardware release changes?...virtually every product I can think of - provides some kind of hardware change warning...Some people will talk about why they should accept this why it shouldn't be a big deal, and why this is the Tesla way, but human nature is such that many people will still be annoyed to find out that they randomly missed a feature by a day or a week - particularly if its a feature they were interested in.
But then, when do you put forth the announcement? Concept stage, alpha/beta stage, yearly cycle etc? Tesla is making upgrades so much more rapidly than the established automakers that a yearly upgrade cycle seems much too slow. Tesla is even leaving the cell phone makers in the dust. It's a brave new world out there. I think they have just decided to announce whenever the upgrade is nearly ready for production. It doesn't matter when you set the date for the announcement, it's bound to give some buyers remorse. There's just no way to make it a completely pain-free process. If it really bothers you, buy a used S. Then you know that it's almost guaranteed that any new options won't work with your car. Don't worry, be happy!
 
But then, when do you put forth the announcement? Concept stage, alpha/beta stage, yearly cycle etc? Tesla is making upgrades so much more rapidly than the established automakers that a yearly upgrade cycle seems much too slow. Tesla is even leaving the cell phone makers in the dust. It's a brave new world out there. I think they have just decided to announce whenever the upgrade is nearly ready for production. It doesn't matter when you set the date for the announcement, it's bound to give some buyers remorse. There's just no way to make it a completely pain-free process. If it really bothers you, buy a used S. Then you know that it's almost guaranteed that any new options won't work with your car. Don't worry, be happy!

I agree that they would need to do versions more frequently than yearly. They don't have to be huge (like the P85D). In fact the smaller they are, probably the better. Speaking personally missing a feature by a month has less sting than missing it by a week or a day (or as in the recent debacle missing it before my car has even been built). If someone has had at least a month of driving the vehicle (especially given how excited people get about getting the car) they might grumble but they are less likely to have a bitter taste in their mouth. There are a variety of ways to make this kind of thing work but admittedly I have very little knowledge of what is actually going on at Tesla and the implications of price increases/decreases, order pipeline changes etc. I don't understand your suggestion of buying a used S but its true that for purchasers of a used S they would definitely save a pile of money for whatever feature set they did get; however, saving money was not my objective. I paid big money to make the technology leap to the latest and greatest Tesla model S as of December 2014. I didn't get the car earlier than those who got the feature - in fact I would have got it later than some who got the feature, thus I re-ordered and I will get my car soon enough - likely with the feature - though still not guaranteed. I'm not worrying anymore, I took charge of my own destiny and I'm happy. That doesn't mean I don't care about the process and the way it currently works/doesn't work. I will repeat again that even if the normal process is to announce after a feature is already delivering, to do that in week two/three of the build of a brand new car model was crazy and likely not what they had planned.
 
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My "99.9% certainty" rolled into 100% certainty when I picked up my P85D tonight. :)

My post in the middle of another thread was pulled out and was selected to "start" this new thread - even though I was just passing along information from other threads (and a little bit of confirmation from my DS - sorry about that!!). I'm thrilled that my car was in the right build week and being delivered to the right region. I've enjoyed a heated steering wheel on my previous BMW but would never find it a requirement - just a nice to have. I was also one of the set of owners to miss out on auto-pilot tech on my new P85 by a few days - so I can empathize a bit on the options roulette that seems to be happening. Nevertheless, neither were on the order sheet when I committed to any of the orders and the cars still were driven enthusiastically.
 
My "99.9% certainty" rolled into 100% certainty when I picked up my P85D tonight. :)
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Glad it worked out for you! (I got mine too!)

Just asked my DS and received this word on my P85D order... "I am 99.9% your car will come with the heated steering wheel ..... Your car is in the correct build week and region to receive it." But there's no build sheet for it. The DS also said "There may be one other surprise as well." for which I'm not going to press my luck with finding out what that means. I'm hoping to unwrap my P85D by Christmas and I know what happened when I was 8 years old and discovered my stash of presents early. I'm waiting for delivery to find out...

So did you figure out what the other surprise was?
 
Glad it worked out for you! (I got mine too!)

So did you figure out what the other surprise was?

It ended up not being a surprise really - just the auto-closing charge port. I did keep asking for the "super secret handshake" OS that enables beta testing auto-pilot functions - but my DS walked me out the door and told me to just drive my car. :) Probably the best advice I got all day!!!
 
1) The magic doesn't wear off--at least it hasn't for me yet--but cold hands do remind you every time that the steering wheel doesn't heat. Yes, it's not a showstopper, but it does impact range because if you had a heated steering wheel, you'd hardly ever need to run the cabin heater.

2) People look at the sticker price and compare the Model S with other cars that have the same sticker price when they really should be comparing it with cars that have a much lower sticker price because of the battery cost included in the car.

3) ICE cars haven't changed substantially in 100 years, so the only innovations that can be done are items such as heated steering wheels. This means that cars at a very low price point have these features--at least optionally--and people, understandably, fail to see why a car costing 3x or 4x doesn't have them. It's perhaps not fair, but the world isn't fair.

4) With any high-tech purchase, if you can buy it, it's already obsolete. So folks who purchase just before the next innovation tend to get upset. There's no way to solve this problem other than to hold off on purchasing, but as innovations will never stop you could hold off forever and not get the enjoyment. It's basically a timing thing. Tesla can't publish a timeline because if they did they would be subject to the Osborne effect where no one would buy the current car because of waiting for the next one. You can see this very clearly in iPhone sales which drop dramatically in the two quarters before a release. Apple can survive that purchase cycle model--Tesla can't.

i generally agree with this post but....that bolded part....there's so much wrong i dont even know where to begin.

if you've ever wondered why many 'car guys' look down on tesla fans, well....
 
I live in Alaska, and I just learned that my P85D does not have the heated steering wheel. My excellent delivery specialist in Seattle was kind enough to double check for me, as the car is there getting finalized. I went into production 12/16 and finished about 10 days later. I'm still a very happy camper, though!
 
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My "99.9% certainty" rolled into 100% certainty when I picked up my P85D tonight. :)

My post in the middle of another thread was pulled out and was selected to "start" this new thread - even though I was just passing along information from other threads (and a little bit of confirmation from my DS - sorry about that!!). I'm thrilled that my car was in the right build week and being delivered to the right region. I've enjoyed a heated steering wheel on my previous BMW but would never find it a requirement - just a nice to have. I was also one of the set of owners to miss out on auto-pilot tech on my new P85 by a few days - so I can empathize a bit on the options roulette that seems to be happening. Nevertheless, neither were on the order sheet when I committed to any of the orders and the cars still were driven enthusiastically.

Based on the picture, it looks like the heat element in the seat may extend up the back? Do you have NG seats and can you confirm? I think this may be new.
 
I live in Alaska, and I just learned that my P85D does not have the heated steering wheel. My excellent delivery specialist in Seattle was kind enough to double check for me, as the car is there getting finalized. I went into production 12/16 and finished about 10 days later. I'm still a very happy camper, though!
Bummer. I was hoping the production start date would dictate whether you get the wheel but another person had a start of production 12/16 and did not get it but you got one with 12/16 start... I have a 12/15 start so I am less likely now than ever to get this feature. Oh well. Time will tell.