OxBrew
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I need to correct that: they have delivered 20 vehicles, first planned production batch was 520. Maybe even more hand built than I thought.
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Help me decide: Model Y or Mach-E
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OxBrew
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Yeah, founded in 2007, but did not start the car side of things until 2016.
And I remember some shenanigans about that too, they were bringing back an abandoned effort at one point, with new investors.
ETA, OK, not exactly, but it was touch and go for a while. They've had a colorful VC history. 2017 article:
Electric car startup Lucid Motors is short of cash and weighing its options
Will Lucid ever launch its Tesla-like sedan? Or will it be a Ford?
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I don't think opening height matters with the Model Y because the entire hatch opening is cavernous due to the slanted opening.
I do however have two problems with the Model Y that my ID.4 did better (which to has a larger cargo space than the Mach-E - I test drove the Mach-E when I owned the ID.4)
1) The width of the opening is narrower on the Model Y than I'd prefer (matches your numbers above). Limits fitting wide things in.
2) The sloped hatch loses some cargo space and it's not easy to estimate how much is lost.
The flatter top and wider ID.4 had technically less rear cargo space but the square space is more usable. I think the Mach-E is wide but when I test drove it and examine the rear cargo space it felt smaller. I guess because it didn't have the length of my ID.4 so it felt like a RAV4 sized instead of an Outback (bad comparison but that was my first sense). Like cramped.
In short, the Model Y seems great for tall and lengthy things that aren't wide. The ID.4 is amazing for boxy/wide things because it is shaped more like a square box in the rear. And Mach-E is a shorter (length-wise from back to front) but a wider than the Model Y.
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Now owning a Model Y... it really does feel like a VW Beetle with in SUV form.
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“VWbeetle in SUV form” Don’t know what that supposed to mean. Model Y is bloated model 3.I don't think opening height matters with the Model Y because the entire hatch opening is cavernous due to the slanted opening.
I do however have two problems with the Model Y that my ID.4 did better (which to has a larger cargo space than the Mach-E - I test drove the Mach-E when I owned the ID.4)
1) The width of the opening is narrower on the Model Y than I'd prefer (matches your numbers above). Limits fitting wide things in.
2) The sloped hatch loses some cargo space and it's not easy to estimate how much is lost.
The flatter top and wider ID.4 had technically less rear cargo space but the square space is more usable. I think the Mach-E is wide but when I test drove it and examine the rear cargo space it felt smaller. I guess because it didn't have the length of my ID.4 so it felt like a RAV4 sized instead of an Outback (bad comparison but that was my first sense). Like cramped.
In short, the Model Y seems great for tall and lengthy things that aren't wide. The ID.4 is amazing for boxy/wide things because it is shaped more like a square box in the rear. And Mach-E is a shorter (length-wise from back to front) but a wider than the Model Y.
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Now owning a Model Y... it really does feel like a VW Beetle with in SUV form.
If you saw both the Mach-E and Model Y, you know that the Model Y has a lot more space. But anyway, for large items I rent a trailer even though I drive an SUV that is quite bigger than Mach-E or Model Y. Based on this utilitarian view, the Mach-E is out of consideration because it is not rated for towing.
Well I have seen both. Appearance wise the Y certainly does look roomier, but as all interior decorators know, a space can feel larger or smaller depending on layout. That big panoramic does help the Model Y appear spacious. For transporting cargo, hard numbers matter more. Sometimes it is nice just to have a few more inches of width or height, especially when transporting that brand new TV or grill or loveseat.
Here are a few screenshots off of a YouTube video showing a luggage test for the two cars. Not a scientific test, but it is clear from this shot that she was able to fit these two suitcases side by side in the Mach-E but not the Model Y. She did conclude in the end that there wasn’t a clear winner.
Driving my Y feels Iike a throwback to the early 2000s bettle. Even has the same bulbous shape.
Model 3 feels lower like a true sedan
The Model Y just isn’t that wide. I began to notice when I started transporting RC planes with larger wingspans. It’s why I either need a large gas SUV or get a Rivian R1S when it is released.
thesmokingman
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WhiteWi axiom: “A head to head comparison between any car and a Tesla will always show Tesla on top.” If the data doesn’t fit, throw out the data.
The sloping rear hatch loses a lot of usable cargo space like the weird Bettle rear too. My Model Y is small and has some weird design choice probably because it was based on a Model 3 (a near perfect sedan). The rear cargo is not square and a little narrow. Maybe I want an Outback… or heck my old ID.4 space.
Also the sloped back is the cause of the poor(basically non existent) rear visibility. The Y should have stuck to a traditional flat back with rear wipers.
I agree, and the angulation difference of the the two photos or screenshots can be deceiving too
thesmokingman
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Doesn't matter what you think it is, it's not anything remotely similar to a beetle.
RobDickinson
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Its not like the Y is like some amazing handling vehicle. Maybe it’s nostalgia… but the Y has the same mushy handling and sparse interior. The 3 is a completely different beast and understand why it is the best selling car in Europe.
thesmokingman
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Are you high? The 3/Y are the same platform and the Y is even better given its giga castings.
Model Y may be a little bit narrower inside than the Mach-E. I saw that video too. All she had to do is to rotate the bags 90 degrees and shovel them into Model Y one by one. By the way check out her new video published yesterday:
OxBrew
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Apologies to the OP, this thread has sort of gone off the rails.
At this point, I would consider waiting for the Subaru Solterra or Toyota version, if I could wait that long.
Might be our next EV. CATL does a great job with battery module design.
At this point, I would consider waiting for the Subaru Solterra or Toyota version, if I could wait that long.
Might be our next EV. CATL does a great job with battery module design.
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