As Elon has repeatedly indicated, building BEVs and in particular building reliable battery packs with good BMS is not easy, and doing so at scale is much harder. Legacy auto manufacturers like GM and Ford are going to go through quite a bit of growing pains - just like Tesla did back between 2012-2018 timeframe. There's a race ongoing here. Tesla has figured out the vast majority of roadblocks to BEV mass production and is scaling like crazy - and cutting margins to gain market share like crazy, with a clear admission that it's all about market share right now - it's not about profit margins. This will eventually eliminate a subset of competition in the marketplace IMHO - and big firms like GM and Ford see this and are transitioning as quickly as they can - but it remains to be seen if they will be successful as ICE manufacturing declines accelerate. When all is said and done - only a subset of the current auto manufacturers will be intact. It will be interesting to see where all of this ends up ten years out.
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Mach-E and my Y. Side by Side pics
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As Elon has repeatedly indicated, building BEVs and in particular building reliable battery packs with good BMS is not easy, and doing so at scale is much harder. Legacy auto manufacturers like GM and Ford are going to go through quite a bit of growing pains - just like Tesla did back between 2012-2018 timeframe. There's a race ongoing here. Tesla has figured out the vast majority of roadblocks to BEV mass production and is scaling like crazy - and cutting margins to gain market share like crazy, with a clear admission that it's all about market share right now - it's not about profit margins. This will eventually eliminate a subset of competition in the marketplace IMHO - and big firms like GM and Ford see this and are transitioning as quickly as they can - but it remains to be seen if they will be successful as ICE manufacturing declines accelerate. When all is said and done - only a subset of the current auto manufacturers will be intact. It will be interesting to see where all of this ends up ten years out.
at the end of the day, the MachE is clearly benchmarked with the Y. They copied everything and made a Ford version.
Key major design and features are all lifted from the Y.
Yes, they put 'mustang' front and rear caps on it but vastly prefer the style of the Y. It's just less cluttered and clean, confident.
Ford did a good job though, and I do like the deeply sculpted bodysides.
But engineering... Tesla simply is head and shoulders above.
Key major design and features are all lifted from the Y.
Yes, they put 'mustang' front and rear caps on it but vastly prefer the style of the Y. It's just less cluttered and clean, confident.
Ford did a good job though, and I do like the deeply sculpted bodysides.
But engineering... Tesla simply is head and shoulders above.
rivian is screwed arent they
It's possible yes - I think these smaller niche players may survive - but likely via acquisition by larger players over time. We're not in yet in the macro market mature growth phase where consolidation becomes very common - but if we see global recession set in, I think it's very likely a lot of these smaller players like Rivian and Lucid will either fold or be consumed by other bigger players. Tesla will continue to eat into their market share just like they are doing with the legacy manufacturers. For Rivian, less so until the CT hits the mass market - but once that occurs starting later this year - I think Rivian will be in real trouble. Even these newer niche BEV players are having major logistical and supply chain challenges ramping up mass production. It's not nearly as hard to build a 5k-15k cars per year vs building hundreds of thousands per year. Will their be room in the BEV marketplace for niche players? Only time will tell, but I think we're not going to see as much diversity in models with BEVs like we've seen with ICE vehicles. BEVs are going to last a lot longer with significantly less maintenance over time - so there's not going to be as much of a need to keep upgrading or buying new vehicles over the long term I think. Only time will tell of course - but that's my sense looking forward.
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The Mach e front looks like a big ole clown face with a huge nose to me. But I’m also not a fan of the duck bill front of the Y. I like the new highland update.I ordered a Ford Mach-E Cal Route (the long rang equivalent) last September. The build date dragged and dragged, and when Tesla dropped prices at the end of the year, I ended up buying a Y LR, with 2 years free super-charging.
I've been very happy with the decision, but the Ford dealership called me Friday to let me know my Mach-E arrived. They'd forgotten I'd cancelled it, and had refunded the deposit in January. Curiosity got the better of me, so I stopped by and put them next to each other.
While I love my Y, the charging network, the additional trunk space, and not having to work through a 'dealer network', etc etc I can't help but think the mach-e looks a little better.
I still made the right decision. Right ?!
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Why do Tesla owners need Carplay or Android Auto to control the navigation and autopilot? Only the apps supported by those two apps are needed, for example: YouTube Music.
Native Apple Carplay or Android Auto support for Waze without having to run a Raspberry Pi processor or point the Tesla browser to a sketchy web site.
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My uncle is a diehard Mustang fan and hates the Mustang Mach E name. Simply just call it the Mach E. And I agree. The car and that name is fine.
Keypad would be nice for the times you want to lock everything in the glovebox at the beach. I have it on my Ford Escape. Owned it over 12 years now and used the keypad….twice. So I guess the value is overblown. But I like it nonetheless.
I think Waze functionality is an in-progress work by Tesla. I want to hear alert about speed trap that Android Auto provides.
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you could get a tesla key ring that would probably do the trick for you -
TomB985
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I’ve done all of my own maintenance and repairs for over 20 years. I’m well aware of the difference in quality between brands, and I build that into what I define as “value.” The MachE is equal or superior to the Y in several areas, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near as well-built. I have almost three years of Tesla ownership and six months with an EV6…that short period with the Kia taught me the value of a reliable charging network. That’s another huge component of value to me.
None of that means the MachE is a bad car in my view. But I would never pay equal money for a MachE as I could get a Model Y for. Price that MachE at $35-40K and it may be a different story.
laservet
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I have Waze running on my Android cell, set an action for it to open whenever I get in the car. I leave it in the wireless charger spot and set the sound to Alerts Only. This way I can use the big, beautiful screen for everything else and my phone alerts me for police, etc. I only need the verbal warning, the Waze map adds nothing.
In many places a Mach E is more expensive than the comparable Model Y. Ford just announced price cuts for the Mach E, we'll see how competitive it is once those cuts go into place. Currently there is about an 86 day supply of Mach Es in dealer lots, so they're not flying off the lot at their current prices.
rivian is screwed arent they
Not necessarily. The capital crunch of today has happened at a time with Rivian's balance sheet is still relatively strong. Their cash crunch is likely to be at its worst in the 2025-26 timeframe.
They'll live or die based upon the performance of their R2 launch. Its always risky, but they certainly have a viable chance.
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