Wiki Model S Delivery Update

[lbowroom]

my FOMO requires me to buy it. it would be even better if it works! and the best part - unless something changes, i'll have to "audition" to get it. that's just crazy! or, would i get the 9.2 or whatever prior version, or is there NO FSD at all until you get the beta?
I'm still amazed at the first FSD death I read about a few years ago, guy playing minecraft and the car hit I think a truck - the Tesla didn't recognize it - I've seen people drive the S550 with a can attached to the steering wheel - and I have to say, that car does NOT keep the lane well at all - and I can't imagine FSD was "that good" 4 or so years ago - even now it still has bumps but it seems vastly improved...okay, just rambling.

AutoSteering, which is a part of AutoPilot, has always been solid. AutoPilot is not FSD. It's included in the base price of your car. It will keep you centered in your lane and maintain following distance all the way to stop and restart on the highway. AutoPilot will far exceed your expectations compared to your S550 lanekeep. FSD is about driving you to any destination without you doing the driving.

 

[IamGaryGnu]

Tesla Value Tops $1 Trillion After Hertz Orders 100,000 Cars

The order, to be fulfilled between now and the end of next year, is a sign of the growing momentum in the shift toward electric cars.

www.nytimes.com

Wow—y’all probably already saw this In the M3 section

if you are pissed about a delay, imagine if you have a "2 week" delay for 100,000 cars?

 

[IamGaryGnu]

AutoSteering, which is a part of AutoPilot, has always been solid. AutoPilot is not FSD. It's included in the base price of your car. It will keep you centered in your lane and maintain following distance all the way to stop and restart on the highway. AutoPilot will far exceed your expectations compared to your S550 lanekeep. FSD is about driving you to any destination without you doing the driving.

My belief is what you described was/is NoA and from what I've been reading, there were different stacks for FSD "highway" and then streets, and that included summon, and now I think there's a uniform stack.
What I'm not clear about is if I ever get my beast, after the initial camera alignment, will I have FSD (but not beta 10.2, 10.3, or whatever) or will I have ZERO FSD/Navigate on Autopilot until I have a good driving score and the beta hits?
thank you!
PS the S550 lane keep is at best a short novelty, and at worst disastrous - it may have been "innovative" years ago, but it is truly horrid. I got to try autopilot briefly on a 3 and a Y during my test drives - soooo much better. Like, usable! The Benz? not at all.

 

[127.0.0.0]

Quick question - Does anyone know Which touch up paint for a Red Refresh Model S

Also will it be the same for 2018 Model 3 Performance Red ?

 

[IamGaryGnu]

Quick question - Does anyone know Which touch up paint for a Red Refresh Model S

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Also will it be the same for 2018 Model 3 Performance Red ?

is it listed on the door panel?

 

[lbowroom]

My belief is what you described was/is NoA and from what I've been reading, there were different stacks for FSD "highway" and then streets, and that included summon, and now I think there's a uniform stack.
What I'm not clear about is if I ever get my beast, after the initial camera alignment, will I have FSD (but not beta 10.2, 10.3, or whatever) or will I have ZERO FSD/Navigate on Autopilot until I have a good driving score and the beta hits?
thank you!
PS the S500 lane keep is at best a short novelty, and at worst disastrous - it may have been "innovative" years ago, but it is truly horrid. I got to try autopilot briefly on a 3 and a Y during my test drives - soooo much better. Like, usable! The Benz? not at all.

No, I did not describe NoA. I described the basic AutoPilot which does not link you from highway to highway or change lanes for you. It just keeps you in the lane and maintains following distance. This is included for no additional cost with every Tesla. FSD(non Beta) should give you Summon, Advanced Summon, Lane Change, and NoA regardless of opting in to FSD city streets Beta.

 

[127.0.0.0]

is it listed on the door panel?

Probably is however the car is in Shop gettting wrapped and they need the touch up paint for a rock chip already there So not sure which one to order for them..

 

[MP3Mike]

Quick question - Does anyone know Which touch up paint for a Red Refresh Model S

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Also will it be the same for 2018 Model 3 Performance Red ?

Signature Red was only available in the early years on the Model S. It is a special color.

All recent Model Ss and all Model 3s would be Multicoat Red.

 

[Ormond]

@IamGaryGnu I understand the FOMO, I didn’t order the FSD but I’ll miss changing lanes with a touch of the turn signal and summons. I had both features on my 2016 MX.

I’m not positive, but I believe that the new Mercedes have improved lane centering. I’d still consider an EQS or S Class if I weren’t buying the Tesla. A big Mercedes is such a great highway cruiser.

I’m waiting to hear from the SA about changing my delivery time. @Bull I’m not sure I understand the benefit of having access to the wiring harness. I assume it makes it easier to hook up an aftermarket accessories.

@uthatcher I ordered a Rivian truck too. I like the design. Every household could use a pickup truck at some time. I wouldn’t mind some stock in the company if it’s reasonably priced.

@jebinc I have a few plants in my garage too. In past winters, I’ve had 20% filled with potted plants. Even a few tropical palms.

 

[Phlier]

Well if it really opens up to other brands then it really makes the Rivian compelling. I guess we'll see how it all plays out.

Absolutely! My guess is people with teslas will pay the normal super charger price per KW. People with other cars will pay the normal price when stations are empty, but will pay a significantly higher price when demand surges. This will keep superchargers available to those of us that bought into Tesla, but give an option for other EVs on the road trips.

My friend has a Porsche TACAN turbo S, and misses his Tesla model S because of the lack of supercharging. Electrify America is bullshit, his words not mine. He would be willing to pay $2-3 per kilowatt on a road trip to save time, would you?

The truth is we don’t know how this is going to work, but surge pricing for non-Tesla owners makes a lot of sense to me.

While I'm glad to see Elon open the SC network up to others, I'm kinda torn about it. The current SC network is so saturated in some areas that people are waiting hours to charge. Adding more vehicles to the mix at this point in time just doesn't make sense in certain areas.

And when you gotta charge, you gotta charge, you know? So I'm not convinced that forcing other makes to pay higher rates at SC's is going to be the answer for long wait lines at SC's. When you need to charge, you freakin' need to charge, rates be damned.

But I am going to grab a little stock at the at the IPO.

Yup, me too. I could see a big fish swallowing this little fish at some point, too. Either way, it looks to be a fairly safe investment (if you could ever consider any growth stock "safe"), so worth a share or two.

For anyone interested, the Gator sent me White on White porn over the weekend. He is getting his car.

He's not banned anymore.

Tell him to swallow his pride and come back to us Losers.

We've all posted stuff we regret at one point or another.

He's still part of the family... tell him to get his butt back here.

 

[aerodyne]

AutoSteering, which is a part of AutoPilot, has always been solid. AutoPilot is not FSD. It's included in the base price of your car. It will keep you centered in your lane and maintain following distance all the way to stop and restart on the highway. AutoPilot will far exceed your expectations compared to your S550 lanekeep. FSD is about driving you to any destination without you doing the driving.

Data point here...AP1 on a '15 MS far superior to distronic / lane keep assist in a '19 S560. The MB will steer you right off the road in the name of comfort...then the brakes come on..

 

[Sigma4Life]

I would imagine at some point they may bake it into the car and not have it as an option - so maybe add $500 or $1k to a car, and include the FSD like they do autopilot. I don't know the math (or maths, as they say across the pond) but let's say FSD is still $10k, and one out of 10 people buy it (I have no idea) - so Tesla generates $10k out of 10 people. Or they charge 10 people $1k each, and they get the same $10k. Or what if one out of 20 people buy it? they would then come out twice as much ahead if they charged each of the 20 folks $1k each.
As I have no idea of the adoption rate, and if it strains their servers having additional cars adopt, I have no idea of the metrics, but I can easily imagine it just being padded into the price of all new cars - I mean, they all have the hardware anyway, so as far as I can tell it's a flip of a software switch.
Another option - since Tesla just raised the S and X $5k, and the Y and 3 $2k, and nobody blinked, what if they do it again, and this time include FSD.

I just don’t see any scenario where Tesla lowers the FSD price, other than if it becomes a complete flop and Tesla gives up on it. If FSD exits beta status it’s value will be huge, possibly more than the car itself as Elon has said.

IMO even in its current form that requires driver attention, it will be worth much more than $10k when it becomes reliable enough to deploy to the entire fleet of paying customers. Basically if FSD can navigate city streets with the same reliability of autopilot on highways it’s value would easily double.

 

[jebinc]

And the rollback to 10.2 last night...

BUT,100000 cars ordered today, and stock up 6%.

I am glad I have leveraged the coming inflation and massive delivery delays with a order...

My Plaid received 2021.36.5.3 this morning. Haven’t gone out to the car to see what it is, yet.

 

[Phlier]

I just don’t see any scenario where Tesla lowers the FSD price

Yup. The only way I can see that happening is if someone else manages to develop a competing product with the same functionality. That means re-tracing Tesla's steps from square one, unless they're able to steal some of their tech, like some companies have done coughcoughRiviancoughcough.

 

[Phlier]

My Plaid received 2021.36.5.3 this morning. Haven’t gone out to the car to see what it is, yet.

Same. Gonna finish up this last cup of coffee and go for a spin. Well, drive that is. Hopefully not a spin.

Either way... should be fun.

 

[jebinc]

My Plaid received 2021.36.5.3 this morning. Haven’t gone out to the car to see what it is, yet.

Okay, I just checked…

 

[Luisito]

Wow what a great day!!! Just noticed Tesla stock is now over $1,000.00 and now the icing on the cake, just received a text to schedule the delivery of my Plaid. They wanted to deliver to my house but I rather fly in to the delivery center, inspect and drive it home.

They said it‘s on the truck in California, schedule to arrive in Fort Worth on the 30th.

 

[cwanja]

They said it‘s on the truck in California, schedule to arrive in Fort Worth on the 30th.

Congratulations on both! The timeline gives me an idea / estimate for California to Houston when my time arrives.

 

[IamGaryGnu]

No, I did not describe NoA. I described the basic AutoPilot which does not link you from highway to highway or change lanes for you. It just keeps you in the lane and maintains following distance. This is included for no additional cost with every Tesla. FSD(non Beta) should give you Summon, Advanced Summon, Lane Change, and NoA regardless of opting in to FSD city streets Beta.

Thank you - so essentially, is the beta NoA for city streets? plus maybe better highway stuff?
thank you for clarifying what non-beta FSD is versus the beta - on youtube, etc. you can see beta, but i'm not seeing "non beta" FSD these days, and frankly, can't figure out what is or is not included or working.
For example, does the "factory installed" FSD with Advanced Summon, use the "old stack" and the beta uses the "single stack?"
also, if we download the beta, do we lose the ability to "roll back" to the factory FSD?
thank you again!

 

[IamGaryGnu]

Okay, I just checked…

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thank goodness there were bioweapon defense mode improvements - i was losing sleep over that one!