PV4EV
Member
Funny to think now that Ferdinand Porsche produced his first car, the P1, in 1898 .. and it was an EV .. with Hub motors .. that he had also invented!! And he was just 23 at the time.
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Funny to think now that Ferdinand Porsche produced his first car, the P1, in 1898 .. and it was an EV .. with Hub motors .. that he had also invented!! And he was just 23 at the time.
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
This article was funny (in a sad way) and points out that Porsche is in trouble:
I don’t think having a car still awaiting production ramp, whose specs are almost all inferior to a competitor’s, at twice the price, and losing significantly to a car expected to be in production in a year, that will still be cheaper, and whose specs will be better at every level, is good PR. Not sure if that’s a run-on sentence, but there. I said it.
So he’s right. Free PR, but I doubt it’s the good kind. Besides, anyone following Musk is probably already playing on Team Musk.
The problem is, if your team is always playing defense, you will lose. This mindset here is about responding. Not leading.
Like I said earlier, skating to where the puck is instead of where it will be.
From the horse’s mouth. No, they don’t plan on going faster. Puts risk on the ICE lineup.
And whuh? Cost? It’s already a freakin $200,000+ car and COST is a limiting factor of a three-motor design?
Yep, if this PR guy accurately reflects the company’s views, Porsche is doomed. They still seem to be underestimating Musk.
It’s a shame. Some of their cars look cool...
As we suspected. The Turbo S is not really much faster on a track. Short burst for a slightly faster (but still slower than Raven) trip to 60 mph, but not too useful on the track.
Hmm. I want to drop $200k even less now.
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I note that today the VW (owner of Porsche) management team were charged with market manipulation related to covering up diesel gate impacts and the stock is off by 3%. Not sure why anyone would buy an old world automotive stock but interesting.
Interesting that they would return in early October.
Interesting that they would return in early October.
CarlK
Active Member
True. Only those "journalists" who can't stand Tesla to be the winner after they bashed its track performance for years would say Porsche is keeping a potent weapon up the sleeve. That makes zero sense.
doghousePVD
My grandfather’s car
Tesla has released the ultimate FUD weapon against Porsche. "Everybody" was expecting Porsche was going to shame Tesla. The cognoscenti forecast IF the S was at least close to the Taycan's time, it was a psychological win.
No Porsche buyer can ignore Tesla anymore. Why would anyone buy a Taycan now when in about a year or so a competitor claims they will knock off an ADDITIONAL 20 seconds off the lap time. Sure, Porsche will improve ... but if you ego is tied up in the Porsche mythology, you don't want to be in (distant) second place.
Even if Taycan beats today's Tesla time next month, it won't undo the uncertainty and fear of buying a vanquished marque.
Roadster 2 becomes absolutely terrifying to Porsche: 1.9s is credible, active suspension is credible, and SpaceX is not imaginary.
No Porsche buyer can ignore Tesla anymore. Why would anyone buy a Taycan now when in about a year or so a competitor claims they will knock off an ADDITIONAL 20 seconds off the lap time. Sure, Porsche will improve ... but if you ego is tied up in the Porsche mythology, you don't want to be in (distant) second place.
Even if Taycan beats today's Tesla time next month, it won't undo the uncertainty and fear of buying a vanquished marque.
Roadster 2 becomes absolutely terrifying to Porsche: 1.9s is credible, active suspension is credible, and SpaceX is not imaginary.
Not sure to what point? I find it interesting for sure, sounds like Elon being elon but not sure what that has to do with VW being a terrible investment (or GM). Other posters have wanted to know how diesel gate hurt VW since sales are up and you only have to look at market cap since diesel gate to realize wow...that hurt. The only reason to have a VW related note here was re the viability of Porsche's parent.
dark cloud
Active Member
I love the headline. Tesla is only competing against Tesla (Porsche who???)
There is no question that Tesla has the better battery technology, better efficiency, and very likely the plaid will be faster than the Taycan, probably at a similar pricepoint with the turbo (I remember the P100D ludicrous was a 135k car, suspect plaid will be same, possible slightly more). That being said, I think Taycan will find a lot of buyers because of quality and refinement. I sat couple days ago in a Raven S and in a Panamera. The first was zen-like, very spartan, and had occasional fit /finish issues. The second was plush, luxurious yet modern. Tesla was the only game in town when it came to fast and practical EVs. Now people who can afford 100-150k cars can choose between 2 options. I sure hope Tesla would consider offering at least as an option a highly appointed interior for their cars - that would kill Taycan, not the Nürburgring lap time.
My guess is that Tesla will become a major manufacturer, and Porsche will remain just what it is - a luxury sport brand.
It is pretty bad they don't even have map holders for the back seats though, sparse is one thing but they are missing some must have interior options too.
Xenoilphobe
Well-Known Member
What the hell is a map holder for? This car has a massive navigation system... didn't know anyone still owned those... last time I saw one was in my grandpa's truck..(he didn't have a map holder on the seat back either) - he just shoved them in the sun visor...
But if I owned a Porsche I would have a map too... if the UI was like most German cars its complete crap... I've heard they have gotten better, but Tesla's got me for life now...
I know, right? It doesn’t even have a CD player either. Sheesh, Tesla.
