3M Crystalline does come in 70. That's what I have on my Model S and I'm very happy with it.
whoops, missed 70. i meant to skip 80 but apparently skipped 70 too haha
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3M Crystalline does come in 70. That's what I have on my Model S and I'm very happy with it.
You and I must be on the same wavelength. At 5pm yesterday (2pm your time) I was returning a 60 loaner, without tint, to the Dania Beach service center and looking at the row of Teslas parked in the Florida sun and imagining running the test that you were running at that same moment. To be fair, I thought the interior and exterior colors of each car should be the same, they should be oriented the same and any breeze shouldn't be blocked differently.My colleague recently bought a 60 and decided to get 3M limo tint. Right before we went to lunch yesterday, we decided to check on the car via our phone app. It was about 2pm and both our cars were parked in the same lot outside, so our MSs have been sitting in direct sun from 10am-2pm. It was 99 degrees outside and my car showed 97 degrees while my buddy's car was VERY hot at 127 degrees. I'm a believer 100% in photosynch
What product do you mean by "3M limo tint"? Is it Crystalline, and if so what percentage, or is it one of their cheaper products?My colleague recently bought a 60 and decided to get 3M limo tint. Right before we went to lunch yesterday, we decided to check on the car via our phone app. It was about 2pm and both our cars were parked in the same lot outside, so our MSs have been sitting in direct sun from 10am-2pm. It was 99 degrees outside and my car showed 97 degrees while my buddy's car was VERY hot at 127 degrees. I'm a believer 100% in photosynch
My colleague recently bought a 60 and decided to get 3M limo tint. Right before we went to lunch yesterday, we decided to check on the car via our phone app. It was about 2pm and both our cars were parked in the same lot outside, so our MSs have been sitting in direct sun from 10am-2pm. It was 99 degrees outside and my car showed 97 degrees while my buddy's car was VERY hot at 127 degrees. I'm a believer 100% in photosynch
Does the photosync 75 still give you effective heat blocking of do you need to get the much darker tints?
Does the photosync 75 still give you effective heat blocking or do you need to get the much darker tints?
I'm looking on getting Photosync 75 on the front windshield and 45 everywhere else (front/rear doors, rear hatch) but I'm wondering if I'm going to get pulled over for the 45s on the front doors (ie., being in California). So, I'm thinking I could get 55s on the front doors and 45s on the rear but I'm not sure if that will keep me from getting pulled over either. Or maybe 65s on the front doors and 45s on the rear. Any thoughts?
Loved reading this whole thread! Very interesting to see peoples' recommendations slightly shift over time.
I find window tinting laws kind of ridiculous tho. The fact that Cali drivers only get to have 70% seems like a cruel joke, especially since it's way sunnier there than it is in MA where we can have 35%.
I also (of course) think EVs should be exempt, as the tint chosen can actually improve range so you could argue it's not purely cosmetic. *sigh*
Based on everything in this thread, I will definitely be going with all Photosync on windshield/front side/rear side/hatchback. Some questions tho…
● Is 35% Photosync for the hatchback too dark? I want it to blend seamlessly with the pano roof...
● What does it mean when the law says the maximum "reflection" from the tint can only be 35% total? (this is listed as a different criteria than the 35% of light that has to be able to pass through)
● Also, in MA they say no tinting on the windshield allowed. But would 70% Photosync go unnoticed?
● I was thinking of going with Tint King in MA - Any experience/opinions?
● In general with tint guys can you just show up and tell them make each window as dark as legally allowed? Will they already know what % that means, taking the window into consideration?
● Do they usually have enough of each tint on hand or is it a good idea to call in advance?
● Also, I noticed IR (infrared) blockage is the most common thing talked about in regards to these tints, but are there any statistics on how much UVA/UVB all the different high-end brands block? Do they also reduce the risk of cancer/tanning/aging on one side of your face/arms?
● If you're driving cross country - are you likely to get pulled over (with an out of state license plate) with darker windows than that state allows? In some states dark windows is a misdemeanor! O_O Any stories? I know NYC is very strict about tinted windows in general. Do I have to drive around that city with my windows rolled down?? :crying:
LOL sorry for all the questions. Nobody has to answer all of 'em! ❤
Loved reading this whole thread! Very interesting to see peoples' recommendations slightly shift over time.
I find window tinting laws kind of ridiculous tho. The fact that Cali drivers only get to have 70% seems like a cruel joke, especially since it's way sunnier there than it is in MA where we can have 35%.
I also (of course) think EVs should be exempt, as the tint chosen can actually improve range so you could argue it's not purely cosmetic. *sigh*
Based on everything in this thread, I will definitely be going with all Photosync on windshield/front side/rear side/hatchback. Some questions tho…
● Is 35% Photosync for the hatchback too dark? I want it to blend seamlessly with the pano roof...
● What does it mean when the law says the maximum "reflection" from the tint can only be 35% total? (this is listed as a different criteria than the 35% of light that has to be able to pass through)
● Also, in MA they say no tinting on the windshield allowed. But would 70% Photosync go unnoticed?
● I was thinking of going with Tint King in MA - Any experience/opinions?
● In general with tint guys can you just show up and tell them make each window as dark as legally allowed? Will they already know what % that means, taking the window into consideration?
● Do they usually have enough of each tint on hand or is it a good idea to call in advance?
● Also, I noticed IR (infrared) blockage is the most common thing talked about in regards to these tints, but are there any statistics on how much UVA/UVB all the different high-end brands block? Do they also reduce the risk of cancer/tanning/aging on one side of your face/arms?
● If you're driving cross country - are you likely to get pulled over (with an out of state license plate) with darker windows than that state allows? In some states dark windows is a misdemeanor! O_O Any stories? I know NYC is very strict about tinted windows in general. Do I have to drive around that city with my windows rolled down?? :crying:
LOL sorry for all the questions. Nobody has to answer all of 'em! ❤
I have followed this thread for some time now. I tried really hard to stay away from it. After the unwarranted beating Moe took when he should not have I thought better but I just can't take it any longer . My skin is thick so I can take it if you don't agree, not everyone will and thats fine. You have every right to your opinion as well, thats what makes this country great after all!
I am a tinter with over 25 years experience and I am also a Model S owner. That kind of makes me unique in this discussion I think. I run my own shop in Cali and have worked for many tint shops over the years and have used many films, some good, some bad. I will give my .02 towards these discussion, again as a disclaimer, all of this is just my opinion. We all know what they say about opinions right LOL.
Now to my thoughts. Model S owners do more research than any other owners I have ever seen! I am one of them after all and I guess while waiting for the car I too did the exact same thing. This thread is a perfect example of that. Also read the one on paint protection, I can't believe the lengths in to which some individuals will go to create and test many products. Hats off to those as its really comes down to being happy with your purchase. I can say I am extremely happy with my purchase of the S. Ecstatic in fact! So any customizations to it I too would make sure I get the best I can get to make it even better.
This is not to put down any film as I am one that believes that film choice should take a back seat to the installation. You can have the best film but if the installer is not good its worthless. Installing film is an art. Doing it with little contamination is not easy and over the years I see maybe 1 out of 50 that try that have a chance at doing it right. Hand cutting, prep work, and protection of the car inside and out while work is performed would be things I recommend you look for in an installer as well. With that said I highly recommend you find the best installer in your area first and go from there. See if they carry a reputable brand of film. LLumar, Formula One, 3M, etc. You notice I did not include Photosync (more on that in a min). If you have a great installer and a good film, go speak with them and they will help you decide the best fit for your needs. They will be knowledgeable about local laws and such. This should be 80% of your decision making when getting tint installed. See if the shop extends the warranty beyond the manufacture. Most manufactures do not warranty illegal tinting to front doors/windshields probably are not covered but a good shop will take care of you.
So now for the next 20%, picking the best film for your needs. Tons of choices out there today. So many more than when I first started in this industry. When I got in they just had ended with flow tinting, thats a liquid tint if you did not know. Way old school, LOL. Truth be told, not many manufactures actually manufacture their film. Some do 100%, but some buy components to make their film. Its kind of a mixed bag out there so finding one that had a good reputation with many years in the industry is of the upmost importance. You can get caught up in the numbers like VLT, TSER, SC and so on but their is so much more to a film than that. You have your top coat, adhesive, shrink capacity, color stable (won't fade/turn purple), warranty and so on. Many manufactures make claims all over the map why their film is the best but do you believe everything you read on the internet, of course not. Many give lifetime warranty on the product. Some know you won't have the car long enough to come back when it goes bad. How to find the real ones from the BS ones? Thats not easy of course. Do they have their product independently tested? Are they members of the IWFA? Are they listed in the nfrc database? What kind of support do they offer? Those are a good start and since you all know how to research you can find your answers there for sure.
Now to Photosync, lots of buzz about this film. Most of it coming from the Tesla forums alone. Seems a few here really pushed it from the get go. Makes me wonder if they have friends or an interest in that company? I mean this company is making huge claims about this product. They claim some things that raise quite a few flags. First off their TSER is way higher than all these others that have been around so much longer. How did they magically up everyone out of no where? Their numbers don't make sense, TSER increases with shade but SC does not lower, that alone is a huge concern as it makes no sense and other manufactures have also agreed this raises some red flags. They are not independently tested, they don't attend SEMA, not members of the IWFA, and so on. Not surprised its a foreign company making these claims. Do I believe the numbers? Nope, I don't, not even little. Could I be wrong, yep, won't be the first and certainly won't be the last LOL. Life is just a lesson so always learning right? They have 2 guys listed on their site, no reps, huge territories which makes me wonder if they can't distribute much of it to support more having it. Maybe this is the master plan to keep the buzz going? The prices people are paying for it is outrageous too. I saw some posts at $1300+, thats just crazy. Sure ceramic film is a bit more difficult that a dyed film to install but to increase the price like some shops charge for it is just gouging as the install is the same. Even if it costs 3 times another manufacture it does not justify the cost. Film is but a fraction of the cost, its the installation and profit that account for the majority of an install cost. These shops are working it on the buzz and making the upsell is all. For the most part this film is unknown to most tinters still. That alone tells you something. Hell, maybe they cracked it and its for real and your all on the bleeding edge of it being the biggest thing sense sliced bread, who knows? I though will remain skeptical at best and I am very happy with my line of film (will remain unnamed as not here to see who has the biggest #$^% LOL) but I love to test everything out there so maybe one day I will test it against my line. I have a couple of different films on my car right now in fact as I like to tinker. I hear a lot of talk about it being blueish and I am not a fan of that too much. Don't like the 3m for that same reason. Thats just my preference though, nothing wrong if it does not bother you, I just prefer a more smoked film. I do like the Air Blue on windshields so maybe I would like it for that? Will this film hold up in the long run? Time will tell I guess, hoping some Vegas S owners that park outside can provide feedback down the road. Now with that said I am not saying anything negative about this film, I can't verify any of it so I would have no grounds to do so. I only point out what I can see and hope you all do more homework before jumping on the bandwagon. So many proven films already out there and all.