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I have learned nothing, as no information I didn't already know has been presented. Maybe you should be less condescending?
robby
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One thing I think people are overlooking about these seats is that while they sacrifice length-wise storage, they improve height-wise storage, and judging by the form factor of the seats, by quite a bit. I'm unconvinced this is generally a bad tradeoff. If you're carrying lots of boxes, it's probably a wash and might even give you a little more flexibility for mixed sizes since you can get taller stuff in back and smaller stuff on the forward seats (cubic footage does not change). If you're moving furniture, you can carry taller pieces than you could otherwise carry if they had to rest on the seats themselves. Certainly, there are situations (lumber seems to be the main one popping up) where this is less desirable, but I'm not sure it's "net bad" for the larger market, especially when you factor in comfort, which I'm sure you all recall has been a very frequent criticism of Model S seats.
I do feel really bad for those who three years ago saw the picture, put money down, needed the length-wise storage and are now learning the vehicle won't meet their needs. But I'm not sure these folks are representative of the luxury SUV market. Among towing, hitching and the in-car storage advertised, I'd wager most market use cases are well-covered.
I do feel really bad for those who three years ago saw the picture, put money down, needed the length-wise storage and are now learning the vehicle won't meet their needs. But I'm not sure these folks are representative of the luxury SUV market. Among towing, hitching and the in-car storage advertised, I'd wager most market use cases are well-covered.
Hopefully you're right, but until some specs or dimensions are released it's impossible to say for certain. I'd love to finalize and confirm my order so if you have any knowledge of specs feel free to PM me. ;-)
When the front seats are in a comfortable position for me and my wife, the Volt has a little over 5 feet from the back of the front seats to the rear hatch.
When I push the front passenger seat fully forward, and tilted forward, I remember measuring 6' 10" inches diagonally from from the rear hatch to the front seatback. (If I remove the rear-seat seat cushions the rear seatbacks fold completely flat, and I can use a milk crate to make over 6 feet of horizontal space. The milk crate fits perfectly in the space between front seatbacks and the rear seat headrest fits inside the crate so it is a 100% flat space. Great for camping out!)
I'm not so sure it's CGI. My thought is that they are actual photos, with perhaps some photoshopping (e.g. to remove bike brand name). But you're the 'cgiGUY'. What do you think? Real photo? Or CGI?
Soolim
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I think your post represents the "Latest" product positioning of X, which I tend to agree. The target market is the soccer mom/dad, people mover more than utility. New utility definition in the works by Tesla.
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Sorry for being condescending. I'm also sorry that you haven't learned anything new. But please stop and listen.
If I were to create a new poll with the question:
That question is biased right from the start and so any results are useless. The first thing they drill into you when designing a poll is to eliminate biases. We're not saying that there is anything wrong with your particular poll. We're saying that all polls are bad in this forum. There are people that have worked, studied, written papers, gotten PhDs in this subject area. There is a reason why these rules and procedures have been developed. It is very hubristic to think that without any training and simply using untrained logic and common sense, that one can understand and assess statistics. Would you tell Elon Musk that the draco engine pressure isn't high enough to achieve the efficiencies required to get a low enough ROI to make weekly flights to space cost-effective? The problem with statistics, is that it seems simple enough to grasp, yet its nuanced enough that few know how to use it properly.
@mods: couldn't someone move all this poll stuff to a poll thread or to site feedback please?
+1 bazillion
I never figured people would be spending over $120,000 on a car to haul wood and other things that would be better suited to a pickup truck. I mean, do people really put stuff like that in such an expensive car?
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... and everyone who will say the current generation seats are perfectly fine will then want the "next gen" fold-flat seats that they said they didn't want or need. Why should the Model X crowd not get to enjoy the same process as Model S owners? lol
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Yah, sure they did. And Home Depot routinely gives out "logs" of what their customers bought to anyone who asks? Where do people come up with these things...
Not sure what the cost has to do with anything, but I didn't buy my Model S to haul wood, but guess what? It does the job just fine. We built a fence around our chicken coop and I lugged the supplies home from lowes with blankets over my folded down back seats. Why buy a pickup truck when the vehicle I have does the job just fine when I need it to?
CarlK
Active Member
You appear to have very limited knowledge of what women want.
I know just what one woman wants. That makes me a very happy guy.:biggrin:
I just find it hard to believe that people want to haul things that might damage their expensive cars. For that type of duty, I would think a pickup truck or a 10 year old Suburban would be better suited. Hauling this kind of stuff in a $42,000 Acura MDX is one thing, but it hurts more when you damage your $120,000 car. At least it does to me.
I guess I can see that, but I'm not one of those folks who gets fussy over things because they cost a certain price. I'll haul stuff in it (taking precautions of course), and my dogs ride in the back as well.
Different strokes.
Likewise. I am more interested in getting a Model S-style driving experience to cover the needs the Model S doesn't currently meet. The MX will depreciate anyway, and I'll take good care of it.
But then, I'm also the kind of guy who never gets a case for his phone.
MrBoylan
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Speaking as a city dweller, we only have one car and Model X will be it (hopefully sooner, rather than later).
CarlK
Active Member
That is true. Just rent a pickup to do the occasional dirty job if you don't have one. Or spend a couple hundred dollars to pay someone to do it. The idea of using a $120K car to do those things does sound a little questionable. The more I think about it the more I feel a comfortable sculptural piece of art seat that can move for easy 3rd row seat access trumps a seat that can fold flat to do jobs that I probabaly would never want to do with the car.
It's not like the X will not be able to let you to haul any large stuff. It only loses maybe a foot length-wise, but gains quite much depth-wise, compares to if the 2nd row seat that fold flat. In the rare instance that the extra foot maters, or when even an extra foot is not enough, you can always work around it as I mentioned above. It's not the holy grail like some seem to want to make it to be.
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