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Of course.
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My reference was to people telling other (Sig) reservation holders they should cancel.
Not people making a decision for themselves.
Obviously.
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I don't think we know, but I would find that a reasonable compromise.
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There is no room in your world view for the off chance that Tesla might have...
Failed?
Hugh Mannity
Mediocre Member
Unknown. However, IMO it's unlikely they're easily removable; the seats appear from the renderings to be mounted on individual pedestals meaning that they should be pretty securely bolted on, not least for safety purposes.
Is it at least sure the second row is cooled?
Direct or indirect? Latter would be preferable.
At least this part would be superior to prototype with reclining back (not just tilting seat), individual headrest movement and folding.
CarlK
Active Member
The only logical explanation is there is not a possible way to get both on time or ever. Elon has said X is the most difficult car to make right after he said the delay of X was due to the seat not the FWD. Yes nothing in the world is not a compromise but apparently this is the compromise Tesla chose to have. The only question is whether it's a good compromise or not. I would have to think it is the best possible compromise based on the little we already know and my blind trust of Tesla. Elon is not known to avoid challenges.
dirkhh
Middle-aged Member
One of the people invited to configure asked - a quick Google search didn't find the post and given the size of these threads I'm not going to search for it.
The answer apparently was no.
It may not have been a compromise Tesla chose to have. It may also have been a compromise that was basically forced on them by failing to develop the target second row seating in time. There may have been very little choice in the matter, in the end, because further delaying the car was becoming impossible.
I think it is fair to keep this possibility in mind too.
I think it is fair to keep this possibility in mind too.
The theory goes that perhaps Tesla had issues (perhaps related to crash safety) with the folding second row and ran out of time fixing those issues, thus being perhaps forced to launch the car with a more limited seat design.
Where Eds you mention (in jest, I guess) comes into picture is that it was speculated at the time that he/she was affiliated with Tesla's seat contractor and claimed initial Model X would be compromised compared to later versions. The seat story could fit that claim.
It is a theory.
Now, perhaps on September 29th we'll hear a full or a different story?
Well seeing how the center console thing fell apart at the last minute after months of trying, I don't think it's that far fetched.
Tesla has had issues with seats before and there's a rumor they're bringing it in house. Maybe the supplier just completely failed to deliver and tesla had to go forward with what they had until they had time to get the other design into production.
You could be right. 29 Sep is end of Q3. It is not a random date. It looks like after multiple delays the board decided to put a deadline which was Q3 of 2015. The Gigafactory will start production next year. Tesla has committed to employment targets with the Nevada government. Then there is also Panasonic and other suppliers within the Gigafactory. They can't delay Model X to next year because sales targets need to be met for everything to work according to plan with the Gigafactory and it would affect Model 3 release negatively. Elon talked about these in Q4 2014 conference call. Listen from 35:13 HERE.
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Update: In the same conference call, Elon says the reason for delays were second row seats and the falcon wing doors.
adiggs
Well-Known Member
I asked specifically about the option to remove the 2nd row in lieu of folding it flat. I was told clearly and unambiguously that is not an option (context - Signature Model X - unknown what will come in production) - the 2nd row seats won't be something we take out either.
My own stance right now is that I might see enough to make a configure / buy decision watching a replay of a reveal event, but most likely, we won't configure until we can see a car in person (and fold / move seats around, and otherwise configure the car for our needs, and see if it's all that we want).
I really can't imagine Tesla coming out with a Model X where second row seats are not foldable, ideally creating a flat surface, but at the minimum like what we have in the Model S. One doesn't buy such a car primarily for 3rd row seats (yes it's a practical option for many), one buys it for flexibility in cargo space and to some extent off road capability (or at least easier access to side roads, mountain conditions, etc). I don't know of any manufacturer offering a similar type of vehicle where 2nd row seats don't fold. People mentioned the Audi Qs, Porsche Cayenne, all the Range Rovers, even the new Jag F-Pace...
I know people are speculating on things given the limited details leaking out of Tesla, but given the level of competence they have and the quality/intelligence of the cars released to date, I don't see how they could not deliver Model X without these (damn) second row foldable (retractable or whatever it may be) seats
I know people are speculating on things given the limited details leaking out of Tesla, but given the level of competence they have and the quality/intelligence of the cars released to date, I don't see how they could not deliver Model X without these (damn) second row foldable (retractable or whatever it may be) seats
muleferg
Active Member
Because that would be the silliest reason ever why the seats don't fold. If his favorite green and he insisted that all model X be painted green, wouldn't that be silly?
:smile:
I guess neither could most of us until a couple of short weeks ago when Tesla came out and said Model X launches with a non-folding second row.
Prior to that Tesla's communications and competitor precedent certainly made us all expect a folding second row.
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