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That's a joke, right?
Not sure where you're seeing "dramatic talk of canceling" but even if people cancel because they don't see the car meeting their specific needs don't you think that's their own business and shouldn't deserve political aspersions?
Do we know if they second row seats can be easily removed if you did need to haul something?
No problem with how you want to think. We don't have a homogenious world that everyone thinks the same. I'm just saying how I, as a Tesla customer, need to think to enjoy the product. Anyway I can't imagine that Tesla team would spend so much time and trouble and not just to use the prototype seat if they didn't beleive that it is the best possible design that could please the most people.
Do we know if they second row seats can be easily removed if you did need to haul something?
Do we know if they second row seats can be easily removed if you did need to haul something?
Lots of changes since the prototype, but one thing's for sure... those comfortable, adjustable, cooled seats are not removable.
The "best possible to please most people" would have been comfortable seats that fold (as evidenced on the prototype). Now I'm sure there's a REASON we didn't get them. I don't think they just decided they didn't need it, and that what we have seen so far is the "best possible to please most people". It's a compromise IMO, and it may be 100% justified, but it's still a compromise.
One of the people invited to configure asked - a quick Google search didn't find the post and given the size of these threads I'm not going to search for it.Do we know if they second row seats can be easily removed if you did need to haul something?
The only logical explanation is there is not a possible way to get both on time or ever. Elon has said X is the most difficult car to make right after he said the delay of X was due to the seat not the FWD. Yes nothing in the world is not a compromise but apparently this is the compromise Tesla chose to have. The only question is whether it's a good compromise or not. I would have to think it is the best possible compromise based on the little we already know and my blind trust of Tesla. Elon is not known to avoid challenges.
It may not have been a compromise Tesla chose to have. It may also have been a compromise that was basically forced on them by failing to develop the target second row seating in time. There may have been very little choice in the matter, in the end, because further delaying the car was becoming impossible.
I think it is fair to keep this possibility in mind too.
So they saved the design of the second row until the last few months and ran out of time? Maybe Eds was behind this.
So they saved the design of the second row until the last few months and ran out of time? Maybe Eds was behind this.
It may not have been a compromise Tesla chose to have. It may also have been a compromise that was basically forced on them by failing to develop the target second row seating in time. There may have been very little choice in the matter, in the end, because further delaying the car was becoming impossible. I think it is fair to keep this possibility in mind too.
Elon (35:13): Now with respect to Model 3, we definitely don't want the delays that affected the X to affect the Model 3, and we're really, we are being quite contentious about this. I mean there are things that we could do with the Model 3 platform that are really adventurous but would put the schedule at risk. So what we are going to do is we're going to have something that is going to be an amazing car, but it won't be the most adventurous version of the Model 3 to begin with, but we will then have the more sort of different version of the Model 3 on the Model 3 platform following the initial version so that we can stay on track for Model 3.
We got a quite adventurous with the X. We don’t want, ... that would be too risky given the Gigafactory and everything sort of has to happen on time. We’re not going to go super crazy with the design of the initial version of the 3.
Elon (45:25) But those were driving schedule, the second row seat and the door.
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One of the people invited to configure asked - a quick Google search didn't find the post and given the size of these threads I'm not going to search for it.
The answer apparently was no.
The theory goes that perhaps Tesla had issues (perhaps related to crash safety) with the folding second row and ran out of time fixing those issues, thus being perhaps forced to launch the car with a more limited seat design.
Where Eds you mention (in jest, I guess) comes into picture is that it was speculated at the time that he/she was affiliated with Tesla's seat contractor and claimed initial Model X would be compromised compared to later versions. The seat story could fit that claim.
It is a theory.
Now, perhaps on September 29th we'll hear a full or a different story?
Since we are all theorizing about why non foldable but 'sculptured art' second row seats: What if it was as simple as EM likes form over function?
I really can't imagine Tesla coming out with a Model X where second row seats are not foldable, ideally creating a flat surface, but at the minimum like what we have in the Model S.