New Tesla Model S Has 2nd Triple Cam For Autopilot & Pedestrian Noise Unit

[benemac]

Perhaps Tesla wants yesterday's customer to sell their car and become tomorrow's customer? I think there are a bunch of current owners waiting for AP 2.0 before they upgrade to a new Model S.

As a former Model S owner, I have a new one on order for 11/16 delivery that I will accelerate if AP 2.0 comes out sooner. I will push the order if needed.

We're thinking the same thing. We just don't know about our trade in. It was worth $50,800 last month. By the time it's announce, our model could drop $10k over night. That's why I'm watching the reports closely. Here's hoping it is sooner.

 

[J1mbo]

Don't underestimate the difficulty of migrating the data that they have captured already with the V1 set up over to V2, especially if the new setup is using a newer EyeQ chip with new sensors.

If Mobileye didn't develop a migration path for the DNN (and why would they, when their model was originally based on pre-calibration by the OEM for each new vehicle rather than live online "fleet" calibration) - then MobilEye & Tesla will have their work cut out for them to make sure that the new hardware suite will work as predicted with the existing V1 "knowledge".

Based on the fact that it seems to have both V1 and V2 sensors, I would guess that this mule is more about validating V1 data against the V2 suite than anything else.

 

[Dynastar]

If I recall correctly Mobile said "someone" was planning to do a multi-camera setup with an IQ3 for each camera and another IQ3 to combine all the data. This would be an transitional multi camera setup until the IQ4 that could do it all with one chip. If I had to guess V2 will be this kind of a setup, and will transition to IQ4 once that chip becomes available.

 

[AZ Desert Driver]

If I recall correctly Mobile said "someone" was planning to do a multi-camera setup with an IQ3 for each camera and another IQ3 to combine all the data. This would be an transitional multi camera setup until the IQ4 that could do it all with one chip. If I had to guess V2 will be this kind of a setup, and will transition to IQ4 once that chip becomes available.

If one was to buy a MS outfitted with a eyeQ3 system, how major would the surgery be to upgrade to eyeQ4 platform. simple plug swap? new wire harness? full gutting?
Im buying an MS (now) and delaying delivery to Sept for personal reasons. Would delaying until Dec make any difference in AP hardware?

 

[SR22pilot]

If one was to buy a MS outfitted with a eyeQ3 system, how major would the surgery be to upgrade to eyeQ4 platform. simple plug swap? new wire harness? full gutting?
Im buying an MS (now) and delaying delivery to Sept for personal reasons. Would delaying until Dec make any difference in AP hardware?

There are a lot of "it depends" but it would be best to assume a full gutting. Just changing the processor could be a simple board replacement IF everything is appropriately modular. However, I expect the next gen system to add a lot more hardware starting with cameras. I seriously doubt a gen 1 will be upgradable to a gen 2 anymore than a pre AP car can be upgraded. There will always be a next generation system in the works. Waiting on it means waiting forever.

 

[AZ Desert Driver]

There are a lot of "it depends" but it would be best to assume a full gutting. Just changing the processor could be a simple board replacement IF everything is appropriately modular. However, I expect the next gen system to add a lot more hardware starting with cameras. I seriously doubt a gen 1 will be upgradable to a gen 2 anymore than a pre AP car can be upgraded. There will always be a next generation system in the works. Waiting on it means waiting forever.

Same question - stated differently....I want my MS NOW....but I also know that V2 is close. V2 may actually be undergoing stealth deployment now - as in having the wiring harness factory built to accommodate everything in use now and fairly certain use in the near future. What I would be willing to do - is to buy the prototype cameras and wiring NOW, even if the V2 switch is not flipped for many more moons.

Can I bribe (pay extra fee now) my way into the (v2) future? Who would I bribe? [the Delivery Experience Specialist?]

 

[SR22pilot]

Same question - stated differently....I want my MS NOW....but I also know that V2 is close. V2 may actually be undergoing stealth deployment now - as in having the wiring harness factory built to accommodate everything in use now and fairly certain use in the near future. What I would be willing to do - is to buy the prototype cameras and wiring NOW, even if the V2 switch is not flipped for many more moons.

Can I bribe (pay extra fee now) my way into the (v2) future? Who would I bribe? [the Delivery Experience Specialist?]

I strongly suspect the short answer is "NO." You only have to look at the initial AP roll out to see how things will most likely happen. Some people got free AP hardware but even their DS's didn't know. The DS's actually know very little about what the factory is planning to do.

 

[Cosmacelf]

I don't think V2 Autopilot is close. 6 months away at the very least, could easily be a year away.

 

[AZ Desert Driver]

I don't think V2 Autopilot is close. 6 months away at the very least, could easily be a year away.

awww- you are ruining my fantasy...I want Christmas to be here NOW.

But wait!! Are you saying that acquiring the latest AP hardware is out 6 months, or are you saying deploying the V2 in operation is 6 months out? I want my car to be hardware capable with the most forward thinking available - but I am very willing to wait months/years to let the software get tuned and deployed.

Two questions - Q1) the MS coming down the line today...have what software (V1?) and what hardware (v1.5?).
Q2) If V2.0 hardware is known (being tested but not unreleased o the wild) CAN I ask that that hardware be installed on the assembly line in Sept? ( I'll pay extra for BAT) [hardware is harder to update]

 

[Cosmacelf]

Cars being manufactured today have the same V1 AP hardware that the original Model S AP cars had. The software in all cars is improving via OTA updates. But V1 AP hardware will limit cars to doing what they are already doing, freeway on ramp to off ramp, with driver attention required. I don't see any new major functionality with V1 AP hardware.

You won't get V2 AP hardware until Tesla is ready to manufacture it. You know my guess as to when it'll be ready, other people have other guesses.

 

[Dynastar]

The 2016 Model S docs show the triple cam so I assume it's less then 6 months away.

 

[msnow]

The 2016 Model S docs show the triple cam so I assume it's less then 6 months away.

VERY unlikely.

 

[Zybd1201]

Cars being manufactured today have the same V1 AP hardware that the original Model S AP cars had. The software in all cars is improving via OTA updates. But V1 AP hardware will limit cars to doing what they are already doing, freeway on ramp to off ramp, with driver attention required. I don't see any new major functionality with V1 AP hardware.

How do you know this?

 

[Dynastar]

VERY unlikely.

What's the rationale for including it in the docs then? To decrease sales?

 

[msnow]

What's the rationale for including it in the docs then? To decrease sales?

The source is unidentified and CleanTechnica reports that it's in the refreshed MS which we know it isn't...yet. The second source reporting this is Electrik which just references CleanTechnica and the unnamed source. More reliable info is needed.

 

[TaoJones]

Did anyone determine in the past 11 pages of this thread whether this new camera module is retrofittable if it turns out that it is required for the traffic light and stop sign reaction (not to be confused with recognition) of which Elon spoke earlier this year with a 1-year fuse?

 

[gsxdsm]

We know nothing about the new camera module.

 

[Joeski1]

Pedestrian noise unit?? I can't hear any pedestrians in my Tesla with the windows rolled up and the tunes going? Why would I need that?

 

[Zybd1201]

Did anyone determine in the past 11 pages of this thread whether this new camera module is retrofittable if it turns out that it is required for the traffic light and stop sign reaction (not to be confused with recognition) of which Elon spoke earlier this year with a 1-year fuse?

An additional camera is not needed for this. It is part of MobileEye's one camera system.

 

[Zybd1201]

Pedestrian noise unit?? I can't hear any pedestrians in my Tesla with the windows rolled up and the tunes going? Why would I need that?

Not sure if you are serious but...

A pedestrian noise unit is used to address the fact that there are blind people who cross the road and depend on the noise of a car and even non blind people are alerted by the noise. Electric cars don't have motor noise.

Electric vehicle warning sounds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia