Welcome to Tesla Motors Club
Discuss Tesla's Model S, Model 3, Model X, Model Y, Cybertruck, Roadster and More.
Register

Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

This site may earn commission on affiliate links.
Yes there is no way that we can order directly through the US Corporation. Tesla must pay Canadian Taxes on there net income here. We are placing our order through Tesla Canada. The question is will the PC government tell us the consumer in writing the we are eligible. Right now the have told us in writing that we are ineligible.

And Tesla Canada is the manufacturer. FCA Canada is the manufacturer for all FCA cars even the ones assembled in the USA and Mexico.

Again good luck. Your going to need it.
 
And Tesla Canada is the manufacturer. FCA Canada is the manufacturer for all FCA cars even the ones assembled in the USA and Mexico.

Again good luck. Your going to need it.

Have you received your car yet? If not you have zero basis to make this assumption.

I on the other hand have and it clearly states Tesla Motors ULC not Tesla Motors Canada ULC. There is a distinct difference between the dealer and the manufacture and the buyer.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ZsoZso
And Tesla Canada is the manufacturer. FCA Canada is the manufacturer for all FCA cars even the ones assembled in the USA and Mexico.

Again good luck. Your going to need it.
Interesting. Given that no Teslas are manufactured in Canada, what is your rationale for saying that Tesla Motors Canada ULC is a manufacturer? Everything I’ve been able to find says otherwise. Specifically, I see they’re listed as a Public Garage and have endorsements for repairs and car sales. They’re also (naturally) a dealer. Nowhere can I find that they are listed as an automotive manufacturer.

Please provide your source.
 
  • Like
Reactions: akaluana
Interesting. Given that no Teslas are manufactured in Canada, what is your rationale for saying that Tesla Motors Canada ULC is a manufacturer? Everything I’ve been able to find says otherwise. Specifically, I see they’re listed as a Public Garage and have endorsements for repairs and car sales. They’re also (naturally) a dealer. Nowhere can I find that they are listed as an automotive manufacturer.

Please provide your source.

Pretty sure he is trolling people on here as there is zero basis for his statement.
 
To the people that are arguing that Tesla qualifies for the rebate for reasons like, they are a registered dealership etc.. Can I please ask what the point of these comments are? Tesla, who spoke with a government body was told no and MTO has made several statements directly saying that Tesla does not qualify unless the vehicle was delivered and plated by July 11th. I think there is a fight in progress but there is no guarantee. I don't like saying this, I have until Monday to either accept the car with possibly no rebate or I have to painfully cancel my order (Placed deposit April 1st 2016).
 
Have you received your car yet? If not you have zero basis to make this assumption.

I on the other hand have and it clearly states Tesla Motors ULC not Tesla Motors Canada ULC. There is a distinct difference between the dealer and the manufacture and the buyer.

Is this based on your final purchase agreement? Did you take delivery after July 11? If so, are you going to submit your rebate application and hope for the best?
 
Can you explain your rationale? In what must be a sure sign of the apocalypse, I think I agree with @adaptabl's interpretation of the cancellation policy. Are you saying that we ordered our cars through a Tesla dealer (i.e., Tesla Motors Canada) and that the Tesla dealer subsequently ordered the car from the manufacturer (i.e., Tesla Inc. USA)?

Hmmm, it is tricky; we placed our orders with an Ontario registered dealer. This is where it gets hazy.

Tesla Motors Canada (TMC) is a fully owned subsidiary of Tesla Motors (TM). TMC has to relay the order to TM in some format. From a legal and accounting point of view, there must be some sort of purchase or ordering between them as they are separate companies.

But at this point, it kind of goes beyond my understanding. Anyone here a specialist in corporate law?
 
Is this based on your final purchase agreement? Did you take delivery after July 11? If so, are you going to submit your rebate application and hope for the best?

Yes. I did take delivery after July 11th and will be fighting it based on my comments above. I 100% qualify and nowhere do they ask for who purchased the vehicle. Hence my comment that they will never be getting that from me.

The agreement states a dealer bought it from a manufacture and I received the vehicle. I am eligible for the rebate regardless of what miss-information is being spread in the media,Tesla, MTO or the many forums online.
 
To the people that are arguing that Tesla qualifies for the rebate for reasons like, they are a registered dealership etc.. Can I please ask what the point of these comments are? Tesla, who spoke with a government body was told no and MTO has made several statements directly saying that Tesla does not qualify unless the vehicle was delivered and plated by July 11th. I think there is a fight in progress but there is no guarantee. I don't like saying this, I have until Monday to either accept the car with possibly no rebate or I have to painfully cancel my order (Placed deposit April 1st 2016).

You are the one taking a big $14,000.00 risk. If you would buy the car with or without the rebate than go for it. If the $14,000.00 is a deal breaker than you need ask your self if it is worth the risk after the government has already said no and they make the laws. Not a position I would want to be in.
 
You are the one taking a big $14,000.00 risk. If you would buy the car with or without the rebate than go for it. If the $14,000.00 is a deal breaker than you need ask your self if it is worth the risk after the government has already said no and they make the laws. Not a position I would want to be in.

This I can agree with 100%. I came to terms about not getting it but am in no way giving up my fight.
 
To the people that are arguing that Tesla qualifies for the rebate for reasons like, they are a registered dealership etc.. Can I please ask what the point of these comments are? Tesla, who spoke with a government body was told no and MTO has made several statements directly saying that Tesla does not qualify unless the vehicle was delivered and plated by July 11th. I think there is a fight in progress but there is no guarantee. I don't like saying this, I have until Monday to either accept the car with possibly no rebate or I have to painfully cancel my order (Placed deposit April 1st 2016).

The point is that this is the basis for the Ombudsman to have gotten involved. Any favorable resolution would come only as a result of the MTO taking the recommendation of the Ombudsman based upon this argument.
 
Take a good look at your purchase agreement - it clearly states that your order was placed with TESLA MOTORS CANADA ULC (and it’s affiliates). TESLA MOTORS CANADA ULC is a registered dealer in Ontario. Go figure.

This is how I THINK it works: for Tesla to sell cars in Ontario they must be a registered dealer; you can’t ACTUALLY, legally buy from the US, thus you have to buy from their Canadian subsidiary, which also has to be a registered dealer.

Of course, it’s pretty much a legal distinction insofar as their ‘dealerships’ are not independently owned small businesses; they’re fully owned subsidiaries of Tesla in the US.

Yes, I have read my order agreement more times than I care to admit. But the point is, the cancellation policy speaks to dealerships ordering cars from manufacturers. Is there some order book sitting at the Tesla dealer showing orders from the dealership to Tesla USA prior to July 11? The cancellation policy doesn't care if consumers placed orders or not, it only talks about dealerships ordering cars.
 
Yes. I did take delivery after July 11th and will be fighting it based on my comments above. I 100% qualify and nowhere do they ask for who purchased the vehicle. Hence my comment that they will never be getting that from me.

The agreement states a dealer bought it from a manufacture and I received the vehicle. I am eligible for the rebate regardless of what miss-information is being spread in the media,Tesla, MTO or the many forums online.

Any chance you can post a scan of the final purchase agreement (with your personal info hidden)?
 
The point is that this is the basis for the Ombudsman to have gotten involved. Any favorable resolution would come only as a result of the MTO taking the recommendation of the Ombudsman based upon this argument.

It is not just up to MTO. OMB did get involved but according to their meeting yesterday, MTO is reviewing how this decision was made. If the directive came from cabinet, it will likely not change. They are at least being receptive though.