Agreed, I am just skeptical of the June 29th date as I doubt they would retroactively modify the program without announcement. What happens to the dealships that sold/will sell cars since June 29th with the rebate included in purchase price?
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Keep in mind the June 29th date was not announced publicly. Just communicated to a few people on social media by FordNation.
M109Rider
Active Member
I agree. A contract is a legally binding agreement. This is a contract.
It will be upheld based on Doug Ford’s response.
I agree with many of you stating that a "purchase agreement is a contract".
If I may push back a little in this regard though.
This is a different organization (the government). So what leads us to be so sure that they are talking about "contracts" associated with an entirely different entity (the dealerships).. vs "Contracts" in the sense of commitments made by the government (like an actually submitted and processed application to the MOF).
As we all know, this program has a built in clause that "this program may be changed or cancelled at any time without notice". So even if we had a Liberal government, there was always a risk of losing the rebate as we most definitely have opened the floodgates with the Model 3. (due to the money running out from so many deliveries).
I would like to believe that our new government will honour submitted applications before a specified date (currently presumed to be June 29th), but am not so sure if they specifically mean "you purchased your vehicle before the cut-off date, so your good". An example would be for those people who just got the invite on June 27th and placed their order... but won't get it for 3-5 months. Then they submit their application, and wait another 2-3 months for it to be processed.
Someone did mention the fact that some dealerships (not all, but some), do apply the rebate to the price of the vehicle before hand, then apply that same day to the MOF. I feel like this may enhance the reasoning behind my "hope" that the government is talking about "Contracts" in terms of "Submitted applications", and not just "purchase agreements made before the cut-off date" (which is currently being interpreted as June 29th).
Thoughts?
Yes, dealership, Hmmm they are the one that may fight for the rebate.
Again, my point is why would you update voter with this thing. You give them notice the rebate will be cancelled on such and such date, you have to submit by such and such date. Everyone is happy.
The money you spend is already allocated and paid for by the program. Really, I don't think you can spend those money elsewhere.
They mentioned that some program may be re visited, but on a case by case basis, but funding will come from general revenue.
The AWD config has never been eligible for the rebate. It’s not on the eligible list and likely won’t be added.
Eligible Electric Vehicles
So, it doesn’t matter if you ordered AWD on June 27 or July 3 - you won’t qualify for the rebate.
M109Rider
Active Member
He said contracts before June 29th will be honored.
This purchase agreement, IS a contract.
When you say not “just a purchase agreement”. A purchase agreement is a contract. ...
M109Rider
Active Member
This is one area that could be a stickler. However, the AWD fits all criteria, so hopefully they will allow it.
Tony_YYZ
Tezler Guru
It has to go through the certification process like the RWD Model did. It's not as simple as rubber stamping the specifications here in Ontario unfortunately.
M109Rider
Active Member
It would suck if it misses. So close to $14k, and it all rests on due process of a week or two.
Technically it may not have been Ford himself but instead social media PR so there's always potential for it going sideways but I have some increased confidence after today that if you ordered (entered into an electronically legally binding purchase/contract) a qualifying Long Range + RWD Model 3 on or before June 29th you are probably good.
The date mentioned was "as of June 29" which I take to mean as of June 29th inclusive. As has been mentioned already, he didn't take power till 11a on the 29th so it would be difficult to determine the time of day that your purchase occurred therefore the 29th gets included.
Also, I don't think there are any 2018 EV's left with other dealerships, are there? If so this only applies to Tesla.
I don't think they are going to alter the internal mechanisms of the program and just allow AWD models to participate. That was a process of certification all manufacturers had to go through for every model/MSRP they wanted to qualify. There may not even be the same staff levels present to complete that task now.
I wonder what the cost of adding AWD after purchase would be?
I am hoping that's the case as well... Keeping my fingers crossed! Hope they sent a pre-production model to Ontario earlierIt would suck if it misses. So close to $14k, and it all rests on due process of a week or two.
The Tesla salesman tell me you cannot add AWD to RWD after the fact. btw, he also mentioned that if I change to AWD, I basically loss the deposit (I doubt that).
In any case, RWD should be fine in the winter.
Interesting...though I'd want to qualify that maybe higher up. I'm concerned that salesperson didn't know what they were talking about.
I know the battery terminals for a 2nd motor are on all M3 batteries so you'd think it would be fairly easy to do unless it's just that Tesla won't allow it given they have control over the parts supply and modifying the software.
I thought I was able to edit my design yesterday and that included selecting AWD and Performance in which case you'd still be going off the same order/down payment just that it's date would change if you selected something different.
I've also heard you can "probably" talk to sales and if you wanted an S or X, (new or used) they would apply your M3 deposit towards it though again, I wouldn't take the word of sales for gospel on that either.
I'm kind of looking forward to RWD in the winter with R2's
Yes, I don't think anyone is arguing that the price is well within the rules of the rebate program. It's also "just" another motor and otherwise the same vehicle.
If it were me, I'd allow it but I'm just trying to imagine how this would play out at a bureaucratic level and my hopes for you then dwindle.
I hope I'm wrong though and that you are allowed the rebate!
Agreed. that's why my first sentence was ""I agree with many of you stating that a "purchase agreement is a contract""
However the purchase agreement is with another entity (the dealership), not with the government.
So there is a possibility that the purchase agreement "contract" is not what the government is talking about, rather they may be talking about a submitted application to the EVIP as the "Contract". At least my hope is that's what they are talking about. (there's that "hope" word again...)
Tony_YYZ
Tezler Guru
I believe part of the certification process is requiring access to a vehicle. And that is not possible at this time since no AWD cars are in CanadaIt would suck if it misses. So close to $14k, and it all rests on due process of a week or two.
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