At this point I am sending them a thank you card for structuring the program the way it is and forcing me to look at the Ford Fusion Energi, which I bought for $37,000 less then my Model 3 and get to deal with a professional company
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At this point I am sending them a thank you card for structuring the program the way it is and forcing me to look at the Ford Fusion Energi, which I bought for $37,000 less then my Model 3 and get to deal with a professional company
pcons
M3 AWD+
Well at my previous company (not massive, but close to a $1B company) our standard terms with suppliers was net 60, and sometimes they tried to push to net 90. Not trying to defend Tesla, because I do agree with your point about why would it take that long to refund, but its the nature of the business...they are keeping it longer to earn slightly more interest. Same as how my previous company tried to delay paying suppliers as long as possible. Its a shell game, nature of the beast. Welcome to capitalism
Just to be clear though, I'm on your side. It shouldn't take that long.....I just know the game and am not surprised...
Looks like Ontario gov is trying to delay things and toss the case
Ontario government asking court to toss application from Tesla over electric vehicle rebates
Ontario government asking court to toss application from Tesla over electric vehicle rebates
Bluewish
Member
I guess Tesla shouldn't refund the deposit at all. They are doing a favour to who requested a $4200 refund (your deposit after ordering is non-refundable, remember?) and now people complain about the waiting time.
When Tesla refunded my $1000, they said it might take up to 1 month but the money is in my chequing within a week.
When Tesla refunded my $1000, they said it might take up to 1 month but the money is in my chequing within a week.
You signed off on a non-refundable deposit and the right to a refund when you completed your vehicle order. TESLA is being ‘hands down’ generous.
The Liberals were actually elected with statistically much smaller majorities...
I got a red LR RWD and ordered the 18” standard black Aero. I’m hoping it will happen before the 10th ... that’s what I’ve been told and that large shipments are expected end of August as Tesla works on quarterly timelines.
So... Ontario Government now wants the Courts to toss out Tesla’s lawsuit. Basically saying they can do whatever they want, how they want to do it and screw our constitution. If the courts do this and that is a BIG IF.... that is a big precedent to set. Now we just sit back and wait and watch.... this is going to get very very interesting
Ontario asks court to toss lawsuit from Tesla over electric vehicle rebates | CBC News
Ontario asks court to toss lawsuit from Tesla over electric vehicle rebates | CBC News
Canuck
Well-Known Member
What part of the constitution is violated? I say it will be tossed because we elect governments to make these decisions and Courts are reluctant to wade into policy matters unless malice or corruption can be shown that I don't see being in play here. But I guess we'll find out.
Discrimination is unfair and unjust (and I’m not talking of the human rights code) which is what Tesla is claiming. Courts CAN override any level of government when any law (which is superior to a policy) that is unjust or never used legal procedures. Is discrimination not a form of malice? But you are right there is no guarantee so we will wait and see how it plays out in court.
They definitely want it tossed which would put a quick end to it. Now we wait for a decision on that. Pretty sure it's not an automatic toss. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Financial Post: "The government said it decided to include only independently owned franchised dealerships in the transition funding in order to minimize negative impacts to small- or medium-sized businesses, and that such dealerships may have vehicle inventory or made orders with manufacturers that could not be returned."
What, so without a rebate no one is going to buy them?
Since when do mfg's NOT provide dealerships with inventory incentives for remaining stock? As if they want publicity that their EV/PHEV couldn't sell. The ON government are just digging a deeper hole for themselves with statements like this. I hope they are taken to task.
What, so without a rebate no one is going to buy them?
Since when do mfg's NOT provide dealerships with inventory incentives for remaining stock? As if they want publicity that their EV/PHEV couldn't sell. The ON government are just digging a deeper hole for themselves with statements like this. I hope they are taken to task.
In my opinion, IF it doesn't get tossed, Tesla has a good case. I'm sure you're sick of reading this, but the point I've made all along is that Tesla was undoubtedly treated unfairly, but not necessarily illegally.
One thing for sure -- and I've emailed the Ombudsman as soon as I read the story -- in defense of their decision, the Province notes that it was a cabinet-level decision. The Ombudsman has no authority or power over cabinet level decisions, which means that they cannot help us. What bothers me about this is that the Ombudsman has been unable to get that information themselves. It leads me to think that the new government is not particularly interested in cooperating with oversight, even when they are within their rights to make a decision.
One thing for sure -- and I've emailed the Ombudsman as soon as I read the story -- in defense of their decision, the Province notes that it was a cabinet-level decision. The Ombudsman has no authority or power over cabinet level decisions, which means that they cannot help us. What bothers me about this is that the Ombudsman has been unable to get that information themselves. It leads me to think that the new government is not particularly interested in cooperating with oversight, even when they are within their rights to make a decision.
I also signed off on a car that they advertised on their website as being $14,000 cheaper. They were very quick to point out along way price is $14,000 less, the monthly payments were calculated before I clicked order with that $14,000 removed. They had no problem taking my money and telling me th $14,000 would be there (and never informed me that there was a potential it could be cancelled)
They are clearly holding out refunds to gain interest...this is not a healthy company right now, you stock price shouldn’t crash after your CEO does a TV interview.
I’m telling you Ford Fusion Energi, great specs and enough battery for most daily commutes, unless your daily drive is pure highway more then 35KM each way then it’s a great car
5_+JqckQttqck
Active Member
Agreed, every time they react to one of Tesla's moves it's been another "oh *sugar* moment". Soon we'll have a tunnel to China without the boring company's help
.Also this "for the people" slogan is backfiring if you think about the people who ordered the car in good faith of his tweeted promised that all cars ordered before July 11th will be included in the rebate program.
They're every bit a citizen of Ontario as any of these dealer networks, pay the same taxes, breathe the same air, works hard to build a life in this awesome province. If he's truly for the people - he'd make policies that benefit the people (cough cough sex ed, mincome, 25 city councilors). Everything this government has done to date has been deconstructive and backwards thinking.
The quick end to it would be for them to simply rework the wind down to include all manufacturers. Seems simple and fair.
Not to mention that other dealers got a heads up about the program being cancelled and ordered the maximum amount of vehicles. Take my word or not but I have spoken to a few GM dealers that have confirmed this. They even said if they could've ordered more, they would have.
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