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I have certain individuals blocked. This place would be even better if more people totally ignored trolls.
I wish I was located in Toronto as I would have gone. The suspense is killing me as how the decision will impact us on the rebate. Regardless, I am so happy Tesla won and we live in a country where justice is upheld. Take that Dougie!!! (Sorry, but I had to get that out there)
pcons
M3 AWD+
The first message on this was at 11:39 am this morning, I would have assumed ~ 6 hours later there would be some news story or tweet about this, and there isn't so its making me wonder if this is real? You would think that one way or another whoever 'won' would be claiming victory by now....or maybe its just that legal battles arent as newsworthy as mass shootings, the latest rumor about 'collusion', etc...cause those get tweeted out 0.05 nanoseconds after they happen....
This is a SUPER minor story. They'll get to it when they get to it... I think it'll start dripping out tonight.
I had emailed Electrek earlier and they just posted Tesla wins against Ontario gov as judge rules that phase-out of EV incentives is discriminatory
"The Ministry of Transport later tried to have the lawsuit dismissed, but Tesla has now told Electrek that the judge sided with them and made the phase-out plan illegal due to its discriminatory nature against Tesla.
It’s now up to the government to come up with a different plan that would be fair to Tesla buyers.
We contacted the Ministry of Transport about the ruling, but they weren’t available for an immediate response."
"The Ministry of Transport later tried to have the lawsuit dismissed, but Tesla has now told Electrek that the judge sided with them and made the phase-out plan illegal due to its discriminatory nature against Tesla.
It’s now up to the government to come up with a different plan that would be fair to Tesla buyers.
We contacted the Ministry of Transport about the ruling, but they weren’t available for an immediate response."
Also here was Ontario's response in Aug 21 to have it dismissed - Tesla v. Ontario - Factum | Electric Vehicle | List Price
Interesting tidbits - B/w July 11 and Aug 19, there were 175 cancelled orders and Tesla expected to deliver 391 eligible Model 3s by Sep 10 (para 31 - 34)
Interesting tidbits - B/w July 11 and Aug 19, there were 175 cancelled orders and Tesla expected to deliver 391 eligible Model 3s by Sep 10 (para 31 - 34)
As one of the 175 who cancelled this is where I find the Tesla end frustrating, at no point did they communicate that they are trying to do something on customers behalf, all we ever got were “you better cancel before VIN assigned, ok when will VIN be assigned? We have no idea”
Just communicate that you are trying...a twitter post, an email, consistent messaging from phone reps.
If they didn't win those who ended up with a car and no rebate would be freaking out on them. They took a chance but it could have gone either way. Being in the legal industry the less said the safer it is. Plus no one knows yet if the end customer is benefiting yet
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I wonder if the 175 cancelled orders will be compensated in some way. Pretty easy for Tesla to track.
Dutch24
Member
There was no guarantee that they would get this decision. Those that cancelled took a chance and were/are getting a refund so they are not out any money. And just like those that did not cancel took a chance as well and there still is not a guarantee we get anything or the full 14k.
Blu Angel
Member
Tesla Inc was DEFINITELY speeding up delivery of the 319 LR TM3's to meet the Ontario govt deadline of Sept 10th
Too bad 175 TM3 reservation holders elected to cancel their order!
The pertinent paragraphs from the court procession.....
It is in Tesla Canada’s interest to ship vehicles to customers to complete a sale as soon as practicably possible irrespective of whether EHVIP Transition Funding is time-limited.
30.
Should either this Court or the Divisional Court find that the Applicant’s customers are eligible to apply for the Second Category of Transition Funding, such eligible purchasers and any incentive they may be eligible for are finite, quantifiable and can be compensated. There is no spectre of irreparable harm to the Applicant or its customers.
31.
Mr. Leitch asserts that as of August 19, 2018, there were 319 outstanding orders for eligible Tesla Model 3 vehicles with purchase orders prior to July 11, 2018 which can be delivered by September 10, 2018.
32
Mr. Leitch admitted on cross-examination that none of these orders had been made from a Tesla Canada dealership to Tesla, Inc., the manufacturer. Rather, each order had been made directly by a purchaser.
33
On July 11, 2018, Tesla Canada was only in possession of 34 Tesla Model 3s in Ontario not yet assigned to a specific customer.
34
Moreover, Tesla Inc., the parent company of Tesla Canada only started delivering Tesla Model 3s to Ontario in or around May 2018.
35
Given
Tesla Canada’s documented two-to-four month delivery wait time,
36
it is unclear how many Tesla Model 3 purchasers would be eligible for Second Category Transition Funding as a consequence of Tesla Canada's inability to provide them a vehicle on or before September 10, 2018 in any event of the outcome of this application.
Too bad 175 TM3 reservation holders elected to cancel their order!
The pertinent paragraphs from the court procession.....
It is in Tesla Canada’s interest to ship vehicles to customers to complete a sale as soon as practicably possible irrespective of whether EHVIP Transition Funding is time-limited.
30.
Should either this Court or the Divisional Court find that the Applicant’s customers are eligible to apply for the Second Category of Transition Funding, such eligible purchasers and any incentive they may be eligible for are finite, quantifiable and can be compensated. There is no spectre of irreparable harm to the Applicant or its customers.
31.
Mr. Leitch asserts that as of August 19, 2018, there were 319 outstanding orders for eligible Tesla Model 3 vehicles with purchase orders prior to July 11, 2018 which can be delivered by September 10, 2018.
32
Mr. Leitch admitted on cross-examination that none of these orders had been made from a Tesla Canada dealership to Tesla, Inc., the manufacturer. Rather, each order had been made directly by a purchaser.
33
On July 11, 2018, Tesla Canada was only in possession of 34 Tesla Model 3s in Ontario not yet assigned to a specific customer.
34
Moreover, Tesla Inc., the parent company of Tesla Canada only started delivering Tesla Model 3s to Ontario in or around May 2018.
35
Given
Tesla Canada’s documented two-to-four month delivery wait time,
36
it is unclear how many Tesla Model 3 purchasers would be eligible for Second Category Transition Funding as a consequence of Tesla Canada's inability to provide them a vehicle on or before September 10, 2018 in any event of the outcome of this application.
Canuck
Well-Known Member
So from an application for summary dismissal the judge ruled on the entire merits of the case? I find that really odd.
That's Tesla's slant on it but then we are told in the same article:
So we know what the gov't did was legal but the way they did it was discriminatory. Was a final order issued? Or is this an interlocutory finding and the case continues? It seems the case continues, since Tesla is now told to find a way to do it that is not discriminatory. All on summary application?
We really need to read the actual judgement. No mention of any appeal either, which almost seems automatic by both parties in a case like this.
To be clear, the court has nothing to do with that document except that the Registry accepted it for filing. It's Tesla's Factum -- and thank you for that and the link. Very interesting.
That's Tesla's slant on it but then we are told in the same article:
So we know what the gov't did was legal but the way they did it was discriminatory. Was a final order issued? Or is this an interlocutory finding and the case continues? It seems the case continues, since Tesla is now told to find a way to do it that is not discriminatory. All on summary application?
We really need to read the actual judgement. No mention of any appeal either, which almost seems automatic by both parties in a case like this.
To be clear, the court has nothing to do with that document except that the Registry accepted it for filing. It's Tesla's Factum -- and thank you for that and the link. Very interesting.
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What about people who cancelled rwd and switched to awd because they thought the rebate was dead and couldn't take the constant monitoring of all threads...
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