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Performance Upgrade Price Change!
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Msjulie
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It will indeed, that is now and my question is about a car Tesla used to sell - FWIW this support person knows my Performance car does not have the 20" rims, etc but they also know it does not have the 18" all season rims either..
Perry
Active Member
Yes you can. It depends who you are. If you know what your doing then you can use that feature anywhere. That disclaimer is to satisfy Tesla lawyers. Remember that most warnings are targeted at the lowest common denominator. There is nothing in track mode that would make it not street worthy unless you are an idiot who doesn't know how to drive. Before the '90s, no cars had stability control and before that we had no ABS and people still got around fine.
Perry
Active Member
Yea, I'm not making any claims on my smartness just my 35 years in software engineering leads me to believe what I believe and I shared that belief. Of course I could be wrong. I just outlined a common best practice software pattern that I believe they followed because I have great confidence in Elon's ability to engineer something properly especially that he started in software.
I agree it's not the same. Writing games is several orders of magnitude harder than Track Mode. Good game engines take large teams of cream of the crop software engineers and mathematicians usually 5 years to develop. Track mode would be like a weekend pet project for one of those guys which I think the more reason they did it right.
I agree but it's so much easier to write TM than a game. I can not overstate that. Its just a few sensors and a rudimentary algorithm on how to act on input data. Its really simple stuff relatively speaking. They probably have one guy working part time on it.
Wrong how? We don't know that they didn't write the software exactly how I outlined it. If they release it for P- or not we still won't know. They could very well keep it from P- not because the code was written for specific hardware but because it makes sense from a marketing perspective.
Perry
Active Member
I am so glad someone else noticed this. I have noticed the same and I think an over the air update nerfed our cars. When I first got my car it would not heat soak so fast. Now I can heat soak it in 2 minutes and the dots don't go away so quickly as they did before. Also noticed the fan is no longer blaring as it did in the past under a heat soak condition.
There is a thread on this topic.
Could Tesla be power limiting P3D?
Perry
Active Member
I would have specifically asked about Performance Model 3 without PUP because they might have understood differently.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
No, you literally can not
Using a feature in direct violation of the manufactuers stated conditions for using it can not, by definition be "using it properly"
Again- words actually mean things.
Wrong based on known facts.
Like for example tesla.com doesn't even offer the P3D- anymore so claiming they're holding it back from that vehicle for "marketing" reasons makes zero actual sense
Yes you can . Have you not seen videos on you tube of people using track mode in a parking lot.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
First 3-4 minutes they aren't using it on a public road, so it's not in violation of the manufacturers stated conditions for using it.
They explicitly point this out like 50 seconds into the video.
Then they do take it on the road and indeed that is in violation of the conditions, so it's not, by definition, using it properly.
same thing as people using EAP on local streets.
Not sure how people are confused by this.
I thought they said it was only for used on closed courses. A parking lot is not a closed course...
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
Nope. It just says not on public roads. You can see the actual text here-
https://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/tesla-model-3-track-mode-enable-screen_100678783_l.jpg
I don't see how it could negatively impact the car. The only extra strain is additional cooling, which I don't think even overdrives the cooling system.
That's just for liability if a bunch of idiots start wrecking their cars.
Actually I believe they say the AC Compressor is "Overclocked", allowing extra cooling.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
It's really not.
Track mode disables numerous safety features of the car- including Automatic Emergency Braking, Forward Collision Warning, etc.
A parking lot can either be a public or private road depending on who owns it. So I guess you could use it on a privately owned parking lot.
Yes it definitely is. You are disabling safety features and they are telling you that it's risky and that it's for non-public roads. Liability/safety warning.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
No, it definitely is not.
You said it was "just" for liability.
But that's not true.
Enabling TM disables numerous basic safety features of the vehicle. They're not telling you that just to avoid getting sued, they're telling you that because disabling safety features makes the car less safe to actually operate on public roads.
Feel free to play semantics. The comment I responded to said it was violating the manufacturers stated conditions for using it. If you want to believe they are going to void warranties for people that use track mode, go for it.
It is a liability/safety warning only.
We had snow last week. I was disappointed that I couldn't find a parking lot where the snow accumulated enough to do that.
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