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Production Rate (incl manufacturing waves)
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Todd Burch
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Tesla has indicated that production rate is at or above 200 cars/week. However, it seems as though deliveries have tapered off considerably this week. There seem to be only a handful of U.S. sig deliveries remaining.
Someone mentioned that GeorgeB has decided to hold all R/P deliveries until the North American sigs are out. So I'm thinking that Tesla's currently waiting for final Canadian approval, and while waiting Tesla is beginning to crank out the Rs and Ps on the production line. When Canadian approval is complete (imminent?), virtually all remaining (Canadian) sigs will go out in one batch, and the initial Rs and Ps will go out in a fairly large batch as well. Anyone have any thoughts about this theory?
Someone mentioned that GeorgeB has decided to hold all R/P deliveries until the North American sigs are out. So I'm thinking that Tesla's currently waiting for final Canadian approval, and while waiting Tesla is beginning to crank out the Rs and Ps on the production line. When Canadian approval is complete (imminent?), virtually all remaining (Canadian) sigs will go out in one batch, and the initial Rs and Ps will go out in a fairly large batch as well. Anyone have any thoughts about this theory?
Zapped
Model S - PURE EV
I would LOVE to take delivery of my Canadian Sig Perf. at the factory (or a store / service center near LA) but for some reason have been told I cannot do so.
Would certainly save TESLA some money not to have to ship it to Vancouver. I was quoted $1800 from Plycar to have the car shipped back to Palm Desert. Still contemplating the drive back but the weather is a concern.
Seems likely, and about what I've been thinking. Just wonder how long they'll sit on the US R's & P's. Would they delay until 2013 just to be sure all Canadian Sigs were delivered while sitting on a large (1000?) stock of ready to go production cars? Seems crazy. While there might be a 100 or so angry Canadians, is that worse than 1000 frustrated and angry Americans?
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Arnold Panz
Model Sig 304, VIN 542
I don't think they're waiting for North American Sigs, only US ones before delivering Rs and Ps. I think the issue is supplier related for remaining Sigs to be built. I am pretty sure CF is still in short supply, and there may be other supplier issues. Combine that with potential quality issues with the cars, and there may be a bit of a backlog of cars to be made/delivered. Once the US Sigs are delivered, then the Rs and Ps will start in earnest. They'll build the Canadian Sigs, I assume, but will have to wait on delivery until they have permission to deliver them.
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
I don't think there was ever a promise that all NA Sigs including CAD will go out before US general production ones. Like some of our Canadian friends noted, when they reserved early on in March 2009, there wasn't even a CAD Sig run; that came later.
I think the floodgates will open up as soon as all US Sigs are delivered. It's going to be a heck of a month for Tesla DSs in December; there's going to be some serious criss-crossing of the country braving winter weather (and hopefully flight and truck schedules that hold).
I think the floodgates will open up as soon as all US Sigs are delivered. It's going to be a heck of a month for Tesla DSs in December; there's going to be some serious criss-crossing of the country braving winter weather (and hopefully flight and truck schedules that hold).
This is the email from my DS last week (emphasis mine):
While we've seen misinformation from the DS's in the past, this is pretty explicit.
Tesla intends to deliver all of the Canadian Signatures in December. If they're going to do that, then it's a good bet that they have already started building the Canadian cars.
strider
Active Member
Sure but that is less that 1 week's production. And seeing as how delivery seems to be the bottleneck (and not production) I can't believe they would hold hundreds of GP cars and potentially push all that revenue into 2013. They need cash to flow and delivering the maximum number of cars is the only way to do that.
Arnold Panz
Model Sig 304, VIN 542
I have no doubt the Canadian Sigs will be built immediately after the US are done. It would make no sense to start GP cars with different paint and whatnot before finishing off the last ~150 Sigs with Sig red, white interior etc. I was referring more to delivery. I mean, 150 CN Sigs should be less than a week's work, even at the current rate of 200/week, so they may have US GP cars done before they are able to start delivery of the Canadian Sigs, and I'd be mildly surprised if they held up US GP deliveries to get CN deliveries done. Hopefully they'll get permission soon in Canada and deliveries will overlap, but given possible delays and/or transit times I expect we'll see simultaneous deliveries of Canadian Sigs with US GP cars in December. They need to get as many cars in customers' hands as possible by the end of Q4, and unlike US Sig owners, Canadian Sigs shouldn't mind US GP's getting their cars roughly at the same time as them as long as no GPs are delivered to Canada before their Sigs are done.
It's not as though production workers and delivery specialists are sitting around twiddling their thumbs while the remaining U.S. Sigs are being delivered. I think everybody is cranking at full tilt. The only thing that has been delayed until all U.S. Sigs are delivered (or on the truck) has been notification to holders of production reservations as to their VIN and delivery window. I am guessing (and I am hopeful) that Rs and early Ps will get their cars in December, but simply with less than the promised 30 days notice. The uproar we saw when Sigs got their delivery window notifications out of order was probably nothing compared to what we would see if Ps started getting those notifications before all Sigs had received theirs. GB knew that, and just decided to keep quiet until all Sigs have been served.
Reading through the delivery thread I think this is pretty evident. There are a lot of deliveries happening spontaniously. Plenty of DS's calling customers and saying that there car is ready, it's the next day, or it's being loaded on a truck. For the most part everyone seems delighted the car is ready or on its way.
30 days notice sounds nice on paper but it looks like it doesn't work in practical terms with production, DS's, and Tesla communication strategy.
Norbert
TSLA will win
Depends on your definition of "quickly". Many here seem to be in that psychological time warp where you experience seconds as eternities when your anticipation runs amok.
I'm pretty sure Tesla has decided to change their procedures. I have two pieces of evidence:
- In their letter to Canadian Signature holders, Tesla stated that we would get notice when the car 'progresses to "End-of-Line" at the factory'. Previously people would get delivery windows before there was even a VIN assigned.
- George Blankenship told me that they plan to deliver all Canadian Signatures in December. Seeing as it's already November 19th it's pretty unlikely we'll be getting 30 days notice!
Needless to say, a natural result of a change to later notification would be an obvious gap in notifications...
teslasguy
MSP P#1117
I was disappointed to not see any reports from people doing the factory tour this past weekend.
Usually, someone posts after their weekend tour and then we get a good update as to the VIN numbers on the production line.
Tesla has gone super quiet lately as to any info regarding the delivery dates and VIN numbers of the Rs and Ps. My guess is
that they are cranking them out full tilt, but don't want to give out any info that might further upset Sigs that still don't have firm delivery info.
If so then I guess they're just parking all the Rs and Ps coming off the line until the Sigs are all delivered or at least all the Sig owners have firm info on the status of their cars.
I have a feeling that sometime in the next week or so we will suddenly see a blast of R delivery info and P delivery dates.
Usually, someone posts after their weekend tour and then we get a good update as to the VIN numbers on the production line.
Tesla has gone super quiet lately as to any info regarding the delivery dates and VIN numbers of the Rs and Ps. My guess is
that they are cranking them out full tilt, but don't want to give out any info that might further upset Sigs that still don't have firm delivery info.
If so then I guess they're just parking all the Rs and Ps coming off the line until the Sigs are all delivered or at least all the Sig owners have firm info on the status of their cars.
I have a feeling that sometime in the next week or so we will suddenly see a blast of R delivery info and P delivery dates.
Norbert
TSLA will win
Also not impossible that they make some changes to the production line in between Sigs and Rs, and have a bit of downtime.
spatterso911
P100DL - Raven
Such as? People at Tesla have said that they will not do this, but obviously that doesn't mean anything. I'm not doubting you, but I am wondering what you think they would change?
Norbert
TSLA will win
I don't know what people at Tesla said they will not do, but I'm taking it for granted that they were continuously making changes, as they were ramping up and increasing volume. This might be a good time to make another set of changes, perhaps as they go to a "full" 400/week production rate.
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