I gave these same arguments before I took delivery of my 2022 MXLR. Now that I've driven it for 9 months, I don't find the yoke shape a limiting factor at all. However, the lack of physical buttons for the horn and turn signals is a huge problem; I've adjusted to these buttons but I don't like them.
it is a limiting factor though looking at review videos when parking and making tight turns with arms crossing or you have to turn the yoke rapidly because again... it is a chopped up steering wheel (much less control surface) and no adjustable steer ratios like drive-by-wire would offer. Lexus is likely releasing the latter which would be fine. The yoke is the definition of form over function.
Seems we will agree to disagree on how big is the impact of switching to a yoke. But I agree that the yoke is form over function: it was a change to be different, with little to no real benefit.
I'm one of those people that have to periodically change my hand positions around the wheel when driving and I can't imagine the fatigue of having my hands at the 3 & 9 o'clock positions for long durations.
Well, I did it on a $130k car.....
For your fingers to Elon's ears but here we are with production S/X and the CT prototypes having a yoke. I've ranted about this for a year. In fact I didn't place my MX Plaid order until I knew the aftermarket had a proper wheel option. I spent 9 days with the yoke and hated every one. It is a TERRIBLE solution for a car that you will drive. Anyway, tons of threads on this in the S and X forums here so I won't rehash them all but my prediction stands.....
This pic is a perfect example that the inside display is superior to outside mirror. I would much rather have that super clear screen image than have to look at an outside mirror through that rain-spattered window. The outside mirror on the other side (left on this right hand drive car) is even harder to see. Changing lanes in the rain can be very dangerous if there is no clear view of the lane. It’s worse at night in the rain or snow.Side mirrors are currently required in the US, but not in some other jurisdictions, where a smaller-than-mirror camera sticks out with a display inside the car where the driver would look for a side mirror.
(photo from Japan-market Lexus ES)
Have you been to any non-Tesla EV forums? There are a lot of customers out there who will never buy a Tesla. Ever. And it's because of Tesla's reputation for poor build quality, crap service, and a lunatic CEO. Those who say reputation doesn't matter are in for a big surprise as Tesla loses orders and finds many cancellations on its hands. It's already happening.
Tesla cannot survive without repeat purchases. If Elon Musk thinks Tesla's reputation (which is already ruined, btw) doesn't matter he's in for a rude awakening. He sure is the dumbest genius I've ever followed. The most basic concepts escape his low IQ.
I sold my S and am waiting on a brand new BMW iX that is currently en-route from Germany! We are so excited to never have to deal with the Tesla bull crap ever again!
The usefulness of the Supercharger network is overstated, in my opinion. Even with the fastest supercharger on the fastest-charging Tesla, charge stops still add at least 20% to the travel time. That's an absurd proposition. Fly instead!
This is a non-issue for me. The vast majority of American car buyers drive less than 100 miles per day—most under 50 miles per day. The vast majority of American car owners do not engage in long-range road-tripping.
I find this type of response typical of those who cannot engage in factual comparisons when those comparisons don't look good for Tesla.
Let Tesla lose out. At some point the Board of Directors needs to realize that Musk cannot be allowed to make such decisions based on his concept of what is "cool" or "killer" or "hardcore" or whatever moronic, superficial adjective he chooses to use that day.
Go to any non-Tesla EV forum and you will quickly see that Tesla has a major customer retention and brand image problem. Elon, not being particularly intelligent about the basic things, has no hope of picking up on this.
Tesla is experiencing a tidal wave of cancellations right now because the tax credit kicks-in in less than 3 weeks. Who would want to take delivery now? That's why Tesla is offering $3,750 off on every 3/Y being delivered this month. Customers are still leaving $3,750 on the table, though, and it's a rotten deal for anyone with at least $7,500 in tax liability.
Yes as long as the cars stay within the price limits and those applying for the credit do not exceed the annual income threshold. I don't know about the LFP models because those cells come from China. The Y/3 are extremely overpriced as it is. Giving customers a paltry $3,750 seems inadequate at a time when cancellations seem to be at an all-time high.
