sorka
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Service center quoted me today $15-16K to replace my degraded P85+ battery with a 90. I haven't read all the posts in this thread - is this about in line with other estimates?
Do you get to keep the old battery.
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Service center quoted me today $15-16K to replace my degraded P85+ battery with a 90. I haven't read all the posts in this thread - is this about in line with other estimates?
I have seen 200 mV max difference at 1500 amps on my unaffected (by batterygate/voltage capping) P90DL. On logs from a capped car I have seen 300 mV max difference at 500 amps.
I haven't studied in depth - voltage delta seem to be "large" on load and also under regen conditions - on the small samples I have seen. My limited knowledge and experience does not allow me to state whether this is "normal" or not.
Car magazines, or programs, do a lot of car reviews. They pick a car up from a manufacturer for a couple of hours, sometimes a couple of days. Drive it around then write their review, then hand back the car before starting the process on a different car. Sometimes they decide to keep the car for longer, a long term car. They keep it for 6 months or a year, or for x amount of miles, ie 40,000 miles. The review is then no longer a 'first impressions' review, it is a 'what it’s like to own and live with, day in day out, for 6 months (or whatever the period is). They are generally seen as a more accurate assessment of the car's qualities and foibles. Not something they do often as instead of borrowing the car from the manufacturer, they have to buy it then sell it (or lease it) at the end of the review period.Not sure what you mean. Who keeps what. Is this a lease. Is 40000 considered long?
Whomever is able to update the primary thread needs to be aware that there is a small error. It says
"There have been no reports of any cars with 90 kWh, or 100 kWh being affected."
But I can confirm that my 2016 pre facelift 90 RWD was impacted by #batterygate subsequent to the software update in May 2019.
Normal degradation at that point had been around 3.5% - post S/W update it was around 9% but has since settled at 7.5% (237 Vs 256 miles when new). Based on typical range shown.
I realise this is far less of an issue than those with smaller batteries, but I am impacted none the less.
If it helps I can also mention that my charging profile has altered also when Supercharging. It used to show 118kW when at low SOC%, Now it never exceeds 96kW though it does stay in the 90s for longer than before.
I suspect there will be no outrage. I think Tesla has learned a lot and is learning a lot from your second generation of batteries. While I thank you guys for being early adopters, my sense is that you guys haven’t embraced what that means. Sorry your battery isn’t perfect. Model 3 batteries won’t be either, but they will be closer.Vote with your wallet. Just refuse to buy another Tesla period. Just imagine the outrage the model 3 owners will have in four years when their updates go from upgrades to continuous down grades. There are a lot more of them than us early model S owners.
I suspect there will be no outrage. I think Tesla has learned a lot and is learning a lot from your second generation of batteries. While I thank you guys for being early adopters, my sense is that you guys haven’t embraced what that means. Sorry your battery isn’t perfect. Model 3 batteries won’t be either, but they will be closer.
I suspect there will be no outrage. I think Tesla has learned a lot and is learning a lot from your second generation of batteries. While I thank you guys for being early adopters, my sense is that you guys haven’t embraced what that means. Sorry your battery isn’t perfect. Model 3 batteries won’t be either, but they will be closer.
Whomever is able to update the primary thread needs to be aware that there is a small error. It says
"There have been no reports of any cars with 90 kWh, or 100 kWh being affected."
But I can confirm that my 2016 pre facelift 90 RWD was impacted by #batterygate subsequent to the software update in May 2019.
Normal degradation at that point had been around 3.5% - post S/W update it was around 9% but has since settled at 7.5% (237 Vs 256 miles when new). Based on typical range shown.
I realise this is far less of an issue than those with smaller batteries, but I am impacted none the less.
If it helps I can also mention that my charging profile has altered also when Supercharging. It used to show 118kW when at low SOC%, Now it never exceeds 96kW though it does stay in the 90s for longer than before.
While I thank you guys for being early adopters, my sense is that you guys haven’t embraced what that means.
And this the logic loop is back around. What exactly did they promise you?So you are ok with someone selling you something then taking it away without your permission
A warranty against defective productAnd this the logic loop is back around. What exactly did they promise you?
Well they promised me, if I paid them some money, they would sell me a car. They promised me if I paid more, I would get a car with a larger battery. Specifically, for an agreed increase I would get a car with a 70 kWh battery. They didn’t promise me I would get X Range, and I have never said they did. So I paid more and I got a car with a 70 kWh battery in it. Happy days. And things were absolutely fine for 55,000 miles. Then, without asking me, or letting me know they were going to do so, they changed my 70 kWh battery to a 60 kWh battery. Then they denied doing so and continue to refuse to return my battery back into the size I originally paid for. Your comments demonstrate a spectacular mis-appreciation of the issue. I really don’t think the issue is an early adopter, suck it up issue. As early adopters we have indeed had to put up with many teething problems. And I agree that means sometimes having to suffer whilst they sort something out. That is not what is happening here. There does not appear to be any sorting out whatsoever. If there were, we probably wouldn’t have this thread.And this the logic loop is back around. What exactly did they promise you?
This was a blog post and it was not regarding range loss or general battery defects. It was specifically regarding bricking the battery by specifically not charging it. That's it. You left out the context and made it look like this was a general statement. It was not.