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400-428 Wh/m WLTP is the rated consumption (depending on model). That is downright TERRIBLE. I can't imagine what it gets at Autobahn speeds
model S(p) 300(320) EPA
model S(p) 300(320) EPA
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It’s funny to see how close model 3 performed to a car 3 times the price. I really wish Elon can make a model s refreshment that can use 100% of the power pack without overheating.It is a Porsche and is NOT priced out of line. In fact it is priced BELOW the Panamera and the 911. It is targeted at Porsche buyers and NOT Leaf buyers.
Taycan Turbo: $150,900
Panamera Turbo: $153,000
911 Turbo: $161,800
Taycan Turbo S: $185,000
Panamera Turbo S: $187,700
911 Turbo S: $190,700
400-428 Wh/m WLTP is the rated consumption (depending on model). That is downright TERRIBLE. I can't imagine what it gets at Autobahn speeds
model S(p) 300(320) EPA
It is a Porsche and is NOT priced out of line. In fact it is priced BELOW the Panamera and the 911. It is targeted at Porsche buyers and NOT Leaf buyers. The question is not considering a Tesla BUT why would a Porsche enthusiast buy a Panamera when they could get a Taycan?
I predict it is a Panamera killer and that is really what we want and need.
It is a BARGEN of a Porsche performance machine. Love it.
Taycan Turbo: $150,900
Panamera Turbo: $153,000
911 Turbo: $161,800
Taycan Turbo S: $185,000
Panamera Turbo S: $187,700
911 Turbo S: $190,700
Sorry but you are incorrect. The (standard RWD) Taycan won't be released for a while and will start at a much lower cost. Porsche is starting with the Turbo and Turbo S and THAT is what you must compare with. Apples to Apples/Models to Models. I just threw in the 911 for fun so only compare the Panamera Turbo and Panamera Turbo S for a direct comparison. The Taycan is LESS money.It’s a totally different class.
The Taycan starts $60k higher than a 911.
I don’t think it’s “wrong” generally to price it that high but it tells you something about how serious they are with EVs. I do think that the range (miles) is not appropriate for the price.
I just think it’s priced as if they rather sell their turbocharged 4 and 6 cylinder ICE vehicles. It’s a “WOW look at me in the showroom car” to help sell a Cayenne instead. You know, the product that keeps the factories churning and the company in business.
Sorry but you are incorrect. The (standard RWD) Taycan won't be released for a while and will start at a much lower cost. Porsche is starting with the Turbo and Turbo S and THAT is what you must compare with. Apples to Apples/Models to Models. I just threw in the 911 for fun so only compare the Panamera Turbo and Panamera Turbo S for a direct comparison. The Taycan is LESS money.
Yea it’s comical the new mid engine corvette will beat cars that cost 5x+. It will sell like hot cakes and demand will go through the roof. All the super and hypercars are doomed.It’s funny to see how close model 3 performed to a car 3 times the price. I really wish Elon can make a model s refreshment that can use 100% of the power pack without overheating.
400-428 Wh/m WLTP is the rated consumption (depending on model). That is downright TERRIBLE. I can't imagine what it gets at Autobahn speeds
Yeah I am just waiting on EPA numbers, as I am too lazy to figure out whether the correlation between WLTP and EPA is perfect (just a scaling to lower numbers for EPA). I would be surprised if it is a simple scaling. Still, just on paper with a rough scaling, it looks pretty poor.
Definitely looks lower than my ~230 mile expectation!
There is nothing magical about range - you just stuff more battery cells into the floor, and write a bigger check to Panasonic/LG/Samsung.
The downsides are not just extra cost, but extra weight.
A LOT of extra weight.
Weight kills performance.
Porsche knows this. Tesla, not so much.
25% (!) less range
slower acceleration
Yeah I am just waiting on EPA numbers, as I am too lazy to figure out whether the correlation between WLTP and EPA is perfect (just a scaling to lower numbers for EPA). I would be surprised if it is a simple scaling. Still, just on paper with a rough scaling, it looks pretty poor.
Definitely looks lower than my ~230 mile expectation!
250 miles is for the bigger battery pack, which I believe is for the two highest models (Turbo and Turbo S). The base Taycan will have a smaller battery. I'm expecting range in the low 200s.Here's How To Calculate Conflicting EV Range Test Cycles: EPA, WLTP, NEDC
I overcame my laziness. I guess I was thinking of NEDC. Anyway, for WLTP, the EPA expectation would be around 250 miles (with around an 8% error)! That's pretty darn good!
I doubt that at Autobahn speeds it will be that bad. Likely it will compare favorably to Model 3 in those conditions where aero dominates. Not to say it will be good - of course it won't be.
250 miles is for the bigger battery pack, which I believe is for the two highest models (Turbo and Turbo S). The base Taycan will have a smaller battery. I'm expecting range in the low 200s.
Slower than what? Slower than a P100DL, it does appear. But not slower than much else that is electric.
Anyway, the cost puts it in a different class, in general, so it really doesn't matter.
It is a Porsche and is NOT priced out of line. In fact it is priced BELOW the Panamera and the 911. It is targeted at Porsche buyers and NOT Leaf buyers. The question is not considering a Tesla BUT why would a Porsche enthusiast buy a Panamera when they could get a Taycan?
I predict it is a Panamera killer and that is really what we want and need.
It is a BARGEN of a Porsche performance machine. Love it.
Taycan Turbo: $150,900
Panamera Turbo: $153,000
911 Turbo: $161,800
Taycan Turbo S: $185,000
Panamera Turbo S: $187,700
911 Turbo S: $190,700
And only slower from 0-60 (maybe, since magazine times for Porsches seem to be 0.2s faster than Porsche's times it appears that they do not use a 1 foot rollout in their advertised times). The Turbo S will have significantly faster acceleration at speeds greater than 60mph.Slower than what? Slower than a P100DL, it does appear. But not slower than much else that is electric.
I wouldn't be surprised if Porsche's 2.6s matched Tesla's 2.4s. They are always conservative, and Tesla likes to play games (such as measuring without rollout on the performance versions and with rollout on the others).Slower than what? Slower than a P100DL, it does appear. But not slower than much else that is electric.
Yep, you pay a hefty price for that Porsche emblem.Anyway, the cost puts it in a different class, in general, so it really doesn't matter.