juanmedina
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Yes, that's so genius. Just add an extra motor, who would have thought?
agreed
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Yes, that's so genius. Just add an extra motor, who would have thought?
People with money can be frugal in unexpected ways. The chairman of my company has bought a number of new Porsche 911s, but he used an iPhone 3s until a few years ago.If you drop 200K on a Porsche, you will fly business class from NYC to LA.
Because <random youtuber> says so. This thread is too funny.FAKE NEWS
Because <random youtuber> says so.
Because <random youtuber> says so. This thread is too funny.
Because <random youtuber> says so. This thread is too funny.
Drag Race Times analysis is correct. Also, there’s a software upgrade for Model S coming out that increases peak power by 50HP, so Model S should beat Porsche Taycan Turbo S by a wider margin in 0 to 60 & 1/4 mile races.
Sorry, Drag Times is correct, Top Gear is wrong
You must have seen a different video than I did. Besides, for the Vbox times it doesn't matter which driver got the jump on the other since they are independently measured in each car.
The 2.4s times are excluding the 1ft rollout time. If you add that back, you end up exactly at the kind of times around 2.6s that Topgear measured. Look at the 1/4 mile trap speed, that can't be fudged.
But of course, if someone beats Tesla, it has to be some kind of mistake/cheat/conspiracy.
I mean if you're going to throw all these contingencies in...doesn't it still seem impressive that the Taycan won "out of the box" without any "launch mode" or "plaid mode" gimmicks?
If I going to fake it, I can make a Corolla beat the S without any whatchamacallit gimmicks.I mean if you're going to throw all these contingencies in...doesn't it still seem impressive that the Taycan won "out of the box" without any "launch mode" or "plaid mode" gimmicks?
no offense but everything you wrote was wrong. Two key observations : 1) you seem to harp at price and the fact that Porsche will not be able to scale to get the price down. 2) you highlight that as of today that this will largely be a cummuter car only.I am sure Porsche will engineer a great system, that's never really been in doubt. The time and system effects are the reason Porsche will become irrelevant. The fact is that Tesla can now compare themselves to Porsche..and Porsche compares themselves to Tesla. So do their fans/car enthusiasts. What Porsche does not have is a system to make the Porsche electric car endeavor useful at scale. That's it's glaring weakness. Not only is it a hugely expensive car, normal purchase prices is going to be nearly 50% more that of that new Tesla coming out in spring/summer but the new tesla is something that can drive from LA to NYC all it wants, in comfort. Track times are important to a niche niche group of people, most want to drive it. Which means the network that supports the car must work. Porsche is fighting a lonely fight there as there is a lack of national supportive network or chargers. They will be selling a few thousand of those in the US. They will break, Porsche's are not known for being shop proof vehicles, like a Toyota or Honda for instance.
So even if it is a great car it is not likely to have sales that rival an S/X Plaid because a consumer that is not an absolute track fiend or elitist will say..huh a Telsa (leading EV company) that goes faster, further, and cost much less or great sportscar that is at best a daily commuter car-basically fitting the same role as a luxury version of a Leaf. The average consumer, even well off consumers, don't want a Leaf or Prius. They want a EV they can drive to parents on Thanksgiving or to a client site 100 miles away. They simply want to replace ICE with EV. Tesla allows you to do that but Porsche really doesn't. Even though I consider them irrelevant they are clearly well engineered. Slow careful German engineering. When you are striving to compete in a fast new world...slow careful is not likely to remain relevant.
Mostly I want to see the end of ICE's. Clearly VW does not and they were very willing to destroy human health and break any number of laws to keep ICE relevant.
He can agree all he wants, but neither he nor the Youtuber were there. How would they know anything about Topgear's measurements? It's all just speculation. If Treelon wants honest comparisons, he could start by dropping the rollout time shenanigans for the Performance cars.Youtuber Treelon agrees with:
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