Agreed 100%. It's natural for us to be fan boys of a certain brand but ultimately it's better for us as consumers if there are more competition. Not just for innovation, but also for our wallets. I'm personally excited for the Taycan and if they can improve range I might end up buying one in the future. I'm also excited for other EVs like the Byton.
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Taycan Takedown
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WilliamG
Hinge Fanatic
I’m not excited for the Taycan YET. This price range is only for the ultra rich, and the ultra rich aren’t going to change the planet’s usage of gasoline cars. Until it’s in the hands of the masses, it’s irrelevant, which means it’s ultimately irrelevant as it will never be affordable in any trim - for most.
The cars that are changing the world are the Leafs, SR Model 3s, eGolfs etc. collectively these are the cars that “regular” people can afford. Porsche is never changing the world for the majority.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
They certainly nickel and dime you an options.
I was able to add $40k of options. But I did not include the $6k leather luggage set.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Just based on the power and weight, and assuming torque is flat (obviously a bad assumption with a gear shift, whereever that occurs - and no idea how quick the shift is), it should be better than 2.6 seconds excluding the rollout, so you may be right. It'll be good to see published real-world results. It's going to be quick AND fast!
Totally agree.
And there is no indication that other automakers, including Porsche, will get into the habit of adding significant new features outside of the annual model-year release cycle either. With, or without OTA.
It should also be conceded that no other automaker requires as many bug-fix-updates, as Tesla does, either.
Just clarifying that OTA, as a capability, has been out there for a decade+.
How each automaker chooses to utilize it, is up to them.
w.r.t. Taycan launch - it's all good.
The more EVs on the market - the merrier.
I bet you are absolutely right - German OEMs are notorious about being conservative with their engineering claims, and prior German EVs (i3, eGolf) all "reserved" 10-20% of battery capacity to hide degradation.
So expect ~75kWh usable out of 93kWh rated.
Sounds funky, but on the flip side, Porsche forums will never see a thread about their cars not charging to the advertised range either:
Performance not getting 310 miles promised
It doesn't matter what we think.
What matters is that Porsche's customers think they are very serious, and 30+K of them had put deposit down to buy a Taycan.
Porsche has done its homework, and is being smart to milk those customers for all their are worth. Good business decision for them, nothing more, and nothing less.
Again, the more EVs, the better!
I really don't get the animosity displayed by some towards a new EV brand entering the marketplace.
You like yours, Porsche folks will like theirs.
They will pass you on track, and you will talk their ear off about how much less you paid for yours.
It's all good!
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P.S.: That 911 is starting to sound like a bargain... perhaps we should all buy one now?
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AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
In Porsche's defense, those guys do all look like they are 6'5" or taller.
I wouldn't call it animosity. I'd call it natural reaction to comments like this posted on a Tesla forum:
Damning with faint praise.
Then this that turned out opposite the reality with the P3D/P100D both under 5000 lbs and the Taycan being over. Where's the retraction?
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Actually it is up to their dealers and the contract they have with them. And good luck getting dealers to give up that cash cow.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Some would say your feet are in nice comfy little garages.
At least for now Taycan is the only choice if you want to never drive a sub-150k car so people know you are rich, and want to drive electric car so people know you are not only rich but also environment friendly. Despite from suffering shorter range.
follow.johnny
FSD Beta Tester
Lol jeez look at that leg room haha but nobody really buys a Porsche to fit more than 2 people tbh.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Am I the only one who thinks Tesla should copy these foot garages? The back seat on the Model 3 is horrible.
follow.johnny
FSD Beta Tester
Definitely! The future looks bright for a variety of car manufactures to offer 100% EVs options for consumers of all kinds (Sports Car Enthusiast, owners who want a long-range EV, and all)
• Tesla (Model S, 3, X, Y, Roadster 2020, Pickup Truck)
• Porsche Taycan
• Audi E-Tron
• Jaguar I-Pace
• Polestar 2
• Rivian R1T
• Aston Martin Rapide E
• Mercedes-Benz EQC
• Volkswagen ID
• BMW i3
• Nissan Leaf
• Chevrolet Bolt
• Hyundai Kona
• Ford Focus Electric
JonathanDandrea
Member
I won't categorized it as 'suffering' but engineered differently.
In terms of Porsche vs. Tesla - they do things differently:
Porsche - build sports vehicle marketed at a very niche fan base.
Tesla - building an entire segment & encouraging more electrification.
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