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Tesla Alternative?
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Sean.
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With some rare exceptions, we’re definitely living through the age of some very ugly cars. I think the crash regs and pedestrian safety regs they must now incorporate don’t help to be fair.Looks different and certainly not boring imho yet not my cup of tea either. It will probably appeal to the US market and it very much reminds of a cadillac escalade
Especially seems to infect EVs where all the usual bets are off.
Bantam
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I don’t think it looks too bad either, although I confess I cant ever recall seeing any large 7 seater car and thinking Ohhh she's a looker. I suspect if you are in the market for a car that fits up to 7 adults, the external styling is not high on your list of priorities.
My suggestion of the EV9 as a Model X Alternative was more in relation to Tech on offer and the internal capacity.
My suggestion of the EV9 as a Model X Alternative was more in relation to Tech on offer and the internal capacity.
What disappoints me most is the lack of real leather on this and all future Kia models. I really dislike this vegan “leather” crap, which doesn’t resemble any leather I’ve ever seen. It makes the interior of my M3 look cheap (which it is) and I suspect it will on any other car that uses it.
I really hope there are manufacturers out there who will buck the present trend for “sustainable” materials and continue to give us interiors covered in acres of real dead cow. There’s nothing quite like it.
I really hope there are manufacturers out there who will buck the present trend for “sustainable” materials and continue to give us interiors covered in acres of real dead cow. There’s nothing quite like it.
Sean.
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….or just vinyl. Marketing nonsense
rincewind
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Always makes me smileIm sorry if this rubs anyone on here but it doesn't help with some people reviving the likes of Austin allegros (that will be you Jonny Smith)...the least he could of done was electrifying it
Sean.
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Interesting insight.
Porsche / Audi have also had issues with premature failures of the 12V battery on the Taycan / e-tron GT, but not as far as I know attributed to the same root cause.
Porsche / Audi have also had issues with premature failures of the 12V battery on the Taycan / e-tron GT, but not as far as I know attributed to the same root cause.
Billbrown1982
TM3 LR 2021 | Red | FSD
I mean sure its entirely possible that its the issue...but feels like a bit of an easy cop out to blame 3rd party apps for the problem.
umm, isn't it the same problem Teslas have with 12v lead batteries, that's why they moved to 18V li-ion?
I can clearly remember few treads here about dead 12v batteries due to lack of heat/vibration from EV compared to ICE.. .
I can clearly remember few treads here about dead 12v batteries due to lack of heat/vibration from EV compared to ICE.. .
I dont know about vibration and heat but they are supposed to be deep cycle batteries (like leisure batteries) and same as still used in many UPS systems that get neither and last a very long time. Its all about battery management and even my motorbike with a big Ltwin still has the same cranking battery from new back in June 2013.umm, isn't it the same problem Teslas have with 12v lead batteries, that's why they moved to 18V li-ion?
I can clearly remember few treads here about dead 12v batteries due to lack of heat/vibration from EV compared to ICE.. .
Where did you get the 18v from? I thought they were meant to be 15v
umm yes15... I cannot remember the figure, but I know that originally it was lead-acid 12v and in 2021 they started to ship cars with lithium ionI dont know about vibration and heat but they are supposed to be deep cycle batteries (like leisure batteries) and same as still used in many UPS systems that get neither and last a very long time. Its all about battery management and even my motorbike with a big Ltwin still has the same cranking battery from new back in June 2013.
Where did you get the 18v from? I thought they were meant to be 15v
Sean.
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Sean.
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Precisely. I think it’s Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) on the non-traction, low voltage battery, as opposed to lithium ion.
They are quite different in character.
Tesla no longer use Li-Ion cells in their large stationary energy products (Megapacks). They transitioned those to LFP around the same time.
This photo suggests its Lithium-ion
16V Lit-Ion Battery
I have a 2022 Model 3 Performance (production date 7/7/2022) and have verified that the car has a 16Vdc Lit-Ion battery. I opened the frunk and removed the maintenance panel to see the battery. I saw that some cars have a 12V Lit-Ion battery. Mine is 16V. Does anyone know why Tesla has two...
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Sean.
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Interesting. LFP seems to be the chemistry of choice for other makers going down this road for the low voltage battery.This photo suggests its Lithium-ion
16V Lit-Ion Battery
I have a 2022 Model 3 Performance (production date 7/7/2022) and have verified that the car has a 16Vdc Lit-Ion battery. I opened the frunk and removed the maintenance panel to see the battery. I saw that some cars have a 12V Lit-Ion battery. Mine is 16V. Does anyone know why Tesla has two...
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