Tesla Begrudgingly “Recalls” FSD Beta for NHTSA

I'm sure this will be a sticky on all of the vehicle forums shortly:

NHTSA Recalls Every Tesla Equipped With 'Full Self-Driving Beta' Over Crash Risks

The safety agency is requiring a software update to Tesla Model S, Model X, Model 3 and Model Y vehicles, saying FSD Beta "may allow the vehicle to act unsafe."

jalopnik.com

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[CyberGus]

Tesla needs to implement "malicious compliance" for OTA updates, referring to each updated feature as a "recall" and carpet-bombing NHTSA in paperwork until they beg them to stop

 

[YNoVA]

FSD can't read "No Turn On Red" signs either.

Imagine paying 15k for this unfinished software lol

 

[WyoDude]

Lol, so you are ok if NHTSA requires you to never be able to set your set speed higher than the speed limit? I will grab my pitchfork, if this is what it ends up being, especially if it might eventually apply to AP.

Hopefully they just keep the 85 max limit

 

[Tam]

"Cell Phones may cause Pickup Crashes". Whoops,
do Cause Pickup Crashes. Where's the recall for Apple and Samsung?

There's already a law to fine cell owners who cell and drive on the road. No recalls are needed.

There's no law to fine a driver for FSD while driving so recalls are needed until then.

 

[zoomer0056]

The dramatic article title says NHTSA recalls affected Teslas. But the body of the article says "Documents show that Tesla decided to administer the voluntary recall out of an abundance of caution on February 7, 2023".

 

[WyoDude]

Your RISK of injury INCREASES if you go outside.

 

[zoomer0056]

Which means I won't be applying any new updates since I'm not giving up my FSDBeta. I hate NHTSA.

I bet you won't have a choice if this really happens. You know, safety and all. Jeeze, here come the law suit posts.

 

[Padelford]

Did you actually read the 4 scenarios laid out? All it would require is modifying some functions specifically related to those, Tesla might even already have a toggle that they can just disable (just like the rolling stop recall). NHTSA does not give a hard immediate deadline either, only says an update will be issued in the coming weeks.

Completely disagree it means finishing FSD.

Where can I read about the four scenarios & the full NHTSA document? I can’t find it on their website.

One of my biggest complaints about FSD beta is that it ignores school speed zones. That alone should trigger a NHTSA recall.

 

[maus92]

I love that you get to dictate what experiences people have. You just cannot wrap your head around the idea that some people don't have a problem with their cars. I feel bad for you.

Some people don't know what they don't know.

 

[kabin]

The dramatic article title says NHTSA recalls affected Teslas. But the body of the article says "Documents show that Tesla decided to administer the voluntary recall out of an abundance of caution on February 7, 2023".

Toward the beginning of the document it looks like Tesla was shown the voluntary recall door.

"Chronology : - On January 25, 2023, as part of regular ongoing communications between Tesla and NHTSA relating to Autopilot and FSD Beta, NHTSA advised Tesla that it had identified potential concerns related to certain operational characteristics of FSD Beta in four specific roadway environments, as described above. NHTSA requested that Tesla address these concerns by filing a recall notice."

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLRPT-23V085-3451.PDF

 

[JHCCAZ]

Which means I won't be applying any new updates since I'm not giving up my FSDBeta. I hate NHTSA.

NHT-picking NHTSA NHT-wits!

(just kidding - I the government!)

 

[AndrewZ]

Surely we all know there is no OTA update fix for these things that have existed since the dawn of FSD time.

I think this very well may open the door for refunds or forcing hardware upgrades. A system that is being recalled for these things is obviously not capable of operating at a safety level far in excess of a human, and that’s what Tesla could argue most people have actually paid for even discarding the Robotaxi promises.

 

[KArnold]

Who makes sense, those that use the dictionary definition or those that don't?

We're talking about "Full Self Driving". The dictionary definition train left the station some time back. It's not relevant.

 

[Twiglett]

As someone has previously mentioned - the biggest issue is really that most of these issues are long standing FSDb issues, but Tesla just decided to not bother fixing them or even slightly improve them, it just hasn't been seen as a problem.
The not slowing down for speed limit changes on FSDb has been annoying me since 10.3, while it has never been an issue with AP.

 

[2101Guy]

Surely we all know there is no OTA update fix for these things that have existed since the dawn of FSD time.

I think this very well may open the door for refunds or forcing hardware upgrades. A system that is being recalled for these things is obviously not capable of operating at a safety level far in excess of a human, and that’s what Tesla could argue most people have actually paid for even discarding the Robotaxi promises.

Baby steps….but the attention recently that FSD has gotten lately? Class actions, phantom braking accident in San Francisco involving multiple cars, recalls…

Yep…the ball has started rolling..

 

[Tam]

"3) adjusting vehicle speed while traveling through certain variable speed zones, based on detected speed limit signage and/or the vehicle's speed offset setting that is adjusted by the driver;"

It might not be fair because I don't think there's such an automatic speed adjustment mandate for other ADAS such as Ford Blue Cruse, GM Super Cruise...

I don't think an ADAS is required to adjust speed. If necessary, drivers still have to adjust speed appropriately.

It's another story if it's an L3 or L4 to demand speed compliance but we are talking about FSD beta.

 

[stopcrazypp]

Where can I read about the four scenarios & the full NHTSA document? I can’t find it on their website.

One of my biggest complaints about FSD beta is that it ignores school speed zones. That alone should trigger a NHTSA recall.

This article has them on the bottom:

Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles equipped with Full Self-Driving beta for ‘crash risk’

NHTSA pushed Tesla to issue an update, which isn’t out yet.

www.theverge.com

 

[Silicon Desert]

Your RISK of injury INCREASES if you go outside. Should the gov have the power to keep you in our house?

I certainly agree with that. My risk of injury probably increases if I go outside. Yet, you got me to thinking that my risk of injury can increase if I stay inside as well

 

[azred]

Surely we all know there is no OTA update fix for these things that have existed since the dawn of FSD time.

I think this very well may open the door for refunds or forcing hardware upgrades. A system that is being recalled for these things is obviously not capable of operating at a safety level far in excess of a human, and that’s what Tesla could argue most people have actually paid for even discarding the Robotaxi promises.

You have your dreams. Mine involve Musk peering out between the bars in a CA prison cell. Oh well, we can both have our dreams.

And why should we discard the robotaxi promises? I was ready to get rich renting my Teslas and passed up other business opportunities, thereby detrimentally relying on those promises.

 

[TSLY]

Musk has an uncontrollable propensity for exaggeration. FSD and Santa Clause have always been in same league, myths. FSD has struggled -- and failed -- to achieve L3 autonomous driving. It will never attain L4 or L5 autonomy -- or "FSD" as Musk has peddled it. First, the entire traffic infrastructure (roads, traffic, lights, etc), will need to be updated to deploy geofencing which in turn will enable vehicles to reliably communicate with each other -- and the road. So, don't be so gullible when Musk makes claims like Robotaxi will launch by the end 2020, etc, etc, etc.