Knightshade
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we're still waiting for him to cite the laws from these places it's "Illegal" to back into a perpendicular spot too
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Tesla Software Version 10.0
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we're still waiting for him to cite the laws from these places it's "Illegal" to back into a perpendicular spot too
OK, I cannot remember where - but I did see "someplace" a sign about not backing into spaces... Fairly sure it was in the US? Not entirely sure it wasn't just a requirement at a parking garage...
I'm pretty sure that you lack all of those features too but you seem perfectly happy to drive yourself.
Another option: when you back onto a space, don't cover your tag. Leave it visible. If you back up to a wall close enough that your tag can't be read, you can expect trouble.
Also, your posted parking ticket for backing into a space? It's for backing into an *angled* space. You don't back into an angled space, and neither will a Tesla. You drive in, and you stay facing the same direction as the only flow of traffic.
When you later back out, there is no cross traffic. Your rear camera looks directly at oncoming traffic. There's nothing to "miss."
Ah, the “Tesla knows best” line...
Tesla certainly thinks they know what is best for THEM. At least for TODAY.
This is how every single business is. Deal with squeakiest wheels and defer what they can for as long as they can.
Dugknight
Member
This is absolutely true, and I have encountered this when backing out. I rely 100% on the rear camera for visibility (whereas in my previous cars, I always grabbed the right passenger seat with my right arm to pivot my body backwards to look out the back).
What happens is as you back out (of a perpendicular spot), camera shows all clear. Then as you start to make the turn, on-screen there appears a car sitting right there waiting on you to finish your maneuver.
I think what's important to note here is that despite the increased blind spots as you back out, if you're backing out slowly, an approaching car in the blind spot will see your action and slow/stop. Or if they are aggressive, they will try to shoot past you by swerving left a bit. In that 2nd situation, the car appears in the rear camera view, so you (or FSD) can react.
So in practice, I don't see the blind spot to be a dealbreaker for FSD backing out. It has some of the same limitations humans do. I agree though that a wider backup camera would be much safer here. I tend to believe that we still don't know the capability of the existing rear camera for a few reasons:
- the FoV has changed (subtly) a few times thru firmware updates
- Autonomy investor day mentioned that the framerate and full resolution of the cameras are not in use today because HW2.5 cannot handle the data throughput. What we see in the rear camera and the dashcam recordings could be dramatically lower res and FR than the capabilities of the cameras.
Would be curious if anyone has disassembled a camera to test what its resolution/FR is...
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
When I looked at it (see pictures above), it’s actually pretty much as wide as it can be. Perhaps it could have a couple more degrees but it is pretty close to 180 degrees. But the problem you describe can’t be avoided even with 180 degrees field of view, since backing creates a larger and larger blind spot.
I have started to really pay attention to the very edges of the image in the backup camera. Would be kind of cool for them to flag moving objects onscreen; can be hard to see small moving objects.
Yeah, I'm actually really happy with the wide angle. that's why I no longer feel like I have any advantage turning my head toward the back.
My point was that despite the growing blind spots, if you back out slowly, the oncoming cars will see that and react. Today, every human backs out of a spot blind. If you have a rear passenger, with their help you are less blind. The rear camera is like the ultimate rear passenger - they're as far back as you can go. Which is why I think I'm much safer relying on the rear camera view than looking back. And the same reason I think FSD backing up will be safer than a human backing out.
Being a software developer myself I believe you are absolutely correct. Adding more developers to a project does not necessarily help the project.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
I find it interesting that Elon seems to want to bundle Enhanced Summon with V10. I would think that Tesla could push out V10 first to get it out there and then release Enhanced Summon later. But maybe V10 is a prerequisite for Enhanced Summon?
jebinc
Well-Known Member
@diplomat33 - It could be that he needs to do "the bundle" as there may not be that much "wow" in the v10 release by itself. It could also be that v10 is further behind than reported - tying the delayed, now "Smart," Summon to it hides the possible new v10 delay... It would also be easier to tie a FSD price increase to that larger "bundle" as well. Time will tell... how much time, that is the question...
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Parking in The Rose City | Madison Borough, NJ
At the municipal level, head-in parking is enforceable via code. Happens all the time.
Above is just one example. Plenty of it ‘round these parts.
Must be rough. This is how it looks at the courthouse.
The nose-in rule is for the angled lots, like this one:
Dan203
Active Member
It usually makes it worse. Unless you can ensure everyone is working on completely separate functionality you can get overlap and conflicts that take even more time to sort out. I work for a small company with just 2 developers and we've kind of come to an understanding over who owns what code and only touch each others sections if we absolutely have to.
pdx_m3s
Active Member
Are we done discussing this yet?
sleevin
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JasonR67
Member
What takes one software engineer one month takes two software engineers two months
Add a project manager it will take 18 months.
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