Honestly, what is it with the cow catcher grille aesthetic (Pilot (locomotive) - Wikipedia)? Reminds me of the transition from steam to diesel locomotives. Cow catchers were on the losing vehicle technology then too.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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So anyone remember how Tesla did it with the previous + model - the P85+ model?
Before my time as a Tesla investor/driver. But AFAIK the P85+ had stronger and more sporty parts suitable for harder driving?
hacer
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No, it really doesn't. The model X is far more different than a plaid S compared to an ordinary Raven, yet the X and S are built on the same line!
All of that is bunk, disproved by your own acknowledgment that S and X share the same line. The changes to the chassis for Plaid are fairly small; mounting arrangements for a third motor instead of motor+transaxle, mild fender flares, a new spoiler, and maybe specific mount points for a roll cage and racing seats.
These chassis changes won't happen to the low end ravens, because all of them hurt everyday performance when you aren't tracking the car, so nobody would want those feature if you weren't actually going to be tracking the car. Only the track edition is going to have these chassis changes. There won't be any new assembly line. The plaid S will be made on the same line as the ordinary dual-motor Raven.
dc_h
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I think the Porsche news is inspiring some competitive spirits and it's great. I imagine Tesla could build a new chassis under wraps, but they couldn't test the prototype publicly without being spotted. Elon is all out there and that's his way. He's limiting the downside with the timeline being out a year and discouraging existing owners from hoping to the next new thing by letting them now the next new thing will be a Tesla. Now its up to Porsche to build a 911e and try and get out in front of the Roadster. Bottom line, this is the cheapest and biggest marketing stage either company can hope for. F' Osborne, they're going to Osborne ICE, not EV's. Maybe they delay a few P100D sales to the P100T, but it is insignificant in comparison to showing Tesla is ready to go toe to toe with the best. Removing another layer of doubters
P120T actually sounds better then P100T or P100D+.
wondering if Tesla anti-fraud department have contributed some assistance
Antares Nebula
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They did not do all that engineering and R&D just to make a tracking car. No way. Makes zero sense. This is a new platform for the S (and likely X). New powertrain, new chassis, and (I bet) new interior. Lot of bulls here are letting their bias cloud their judgement. I'm not going to belabor the point further; let's wait till next year and see what happens.
Shower thought 1:
Telsa could dilute the Osbone effect by allowing generous terms for new Performance purchases (leases) to trade up to a P100+ for say contracts entered into before June 2020;
For purchases - generous "agreed value" trade-ins....
For leases - convert a lease of a Performance Model S/X to a purchase of a P100D+ anytime after 18 months,- convert a lease of a Performance of a lease of a P100D+ anytime after 2 years..
The will eat some value drop of the returned Performance (P100D) cars, but they can be used as loaners or test drive vehicles and slowly sold off. Good margins on the P100D+ shoudl help a bit...
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For a customers point of view this arrangement is ideal, and something Tesla should be able to live with..
Telsa could dilute the Osbone effect by allowing generous terms for new Performance purchases (leases) to trade up to a P100+ for say contracts entered into before June 2020;
For purchases - generous "agreed value" trade-ins....
For leases - convert a lease of a Performance Model S/X to a purchase of a P100D+ anytime after 18 months,- convert a lease of a Performance of a lease of a P100D+ anytime after 2 years..
The will eat some value drop of the returned Performance (P100D) cars, but they can be used as loaners or test drive vehicles and slowly sold off. Good margins on the P100D+ shoudl help a bit...
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For a customers point of view this arrangement is ideal, and something Tesla should be able to live with..
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Oh, look, someone else ignoring that every single thing they’re criticizing Tesla for is exactly what Porsche did.
TheTalkingMule
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With all this Osborning talk, is anyone even considering the "why buy a Taycan when restyled P100D is right around the corner" factor?
It'll net out to something positive.
It'll net out to something positive.
OT
An old article about Cox enterprise and it's history. This company has a lot of subsidiaries, mainly in three areas: auto, media, cable.
This Billionaire Knows The Secret To Saving A Family Business
Cox Automotive invests into Rivian.
Rivian lands $350 million investment from Cox Automotive – TechCrunch
Shower Thought 2:
Perhaps the Plaid Model S/X/Roadster production will be an entirely new US factory, while Fremont continues to crank out Model S/X on the existing lines...
Longer term all Model S/X production will move to the new factory freeing up space for expansion of Model 3 and Model Y at Fremont.
That final stage moving Model S/X production might be around 2022, by that time some of the original Model S/X lines have been in place for around 10 years...
Perhaps the Plaid Model S/X/Roadster production will be an entirely new US factory, while Fremont continues to crank out Model S/X on the existing lines...
Longer term all Model S/X production will move to the new factory freeing up space for expansion of Model 3 and Model Y at Fremont.
That final stage moving Model S/X production might be around 2022, by that time some of the original Model S/X lines have been in place for around 10 years...
SoGA Fan Club
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Exactly WHEN did the Model S have 310 miles of range? These are the ranges I recall
60 - 208
85 - 265
85D - 270
90D - 286
100D - 335
100D Raven - 370
Regardless, how hard is it to check a website?
I went to tesla.com, clicked Model S, clicked order, and there it was. If you're on dial up, that's a full minute. For the rest of us, it take about 10 seconds. Isn't accurate information important to journalists any more? - assuming you're right and it was a totally innocent mistake!
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Krugerrand
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Yes, there is something to that.
My view is that the quest is to demonstrate the complete dominance of the electric drive unit in all meaningful mobility applications beyond dispute.
Electrics will drive outdated combustion engines into the least profitable product categories where they will eventually become a novelty product.
RobStark
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Cox Automotive does not own Edmunds
Neither does Berkshire Hathaway
List of assets owned by Berkshire Hathaway - Wikipedia
Edit Edmunds is a private company. Majority of shares are owned by Peter Steinlauf
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Let's not be ridiculous. A tweet isn't going to 'unravel Edmunds.' (I know you're not saying it, but you said it.)
They said, there's a direct giveaway in the tweet that strongly suggests it's written by someone who follows the short brigade--they tagged $tsla in the tweet. That's not how automotive publications reference companies; it's how investors and short-sellers reference companies. The proper thing to do in this context would have been to tag @tesla.
Krugerrand
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Shower thought #3
Concentrate on showering and do less ‘thoughting’.
Concentrate on showering and do less ‘thoughting’.
Does anyone have a theory on why the Bloomberg tracker is showing a flat production rate starting mid Aug 11 2019. It has shown 520,557 for a while now.
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