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I know. I know… but… how do I request the death if I can’t post? Damned if I do…Because the most important thing for me to be looking at while driving a 1,020hp vehicle is an expanse of black plastic? Yep, you sold me. Yoke all the way.
@WilliamG if you want the thread to die, you have to stop posting in it
There's "Unwatch" top right......
Just rip it off quickly like a bandaid. It will hurt, but just less than a moment ... you'll be ok.But just knowing it's out there... churning away the same nonsense day after day...
And no worm! HiIt’s an easy fix if you don’t like the yoke. Options are good…
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So what can be inferred is that when the ADAS can’t work and gives up control, the driver is less able to react quickly or adequately as more time passes.I've been driving my Plaid for 15 months and 22,400+ miles, which includes several all-day trips. I found the yoke to be comfortable on cruise using the lower part to rest one hand to let the car know my hand is there. I too was an Air Force pilot, and instructor in 3 fighter types. What I determined is on autopilot, which I've been using since it was released in 2015, it was subtle for me, but I looked away from the road at longer and longer increments over time. Transitioning to manual driving is not difficult for a few minutes, but then I found myself drifting in my lane and having to make larger corrections than I ever did without an autopilot. Now the car warns if I look away from the road for too long. Bottom line is the autopilot can lull one into a sense of security over time and the skill of manual driving is slowly eroded.
I've found that freeway driving with AP allows me to devote more of my attention to my wider surroundings since I don't have to stay focused on the lines and continuously make fine adjustments to steering. I'm more aware of cars to the side and behind as well as front. Driving is less tedious.I've been driving my Plaid for 15 months and 22,400+ miles, which includes several all-day trips. I found the yoke to be comfortable on cruise using the lower part to rest one hand to let the car know my hand is there. I too was an Air Force pilot, and instructor in 3 fighter types. What I determined is on autopilot, which I've been using since it was released in 2015, it was subtle for me, but I looked away from the road at longer and longer increments over time. Transitioning to manual driving is not difficult for a few minutes, but then I found myself drifting in my lane and having to make larger corrections than I ever did without an autopilot. Now the car warns if I look away from the road for too long. Bottom line is the autopilot can lull one into a sense of security over time and the skill of manual driving is slowly eroded.
I still do not trust the AP when there is no shoulder but concrete barrier. Also when the lane splits into two, i.e. left lane picks up another freeway and right lane stays on, the car does not know which one to take. Scary when your attention is to something else.I've found that freeway driving with AP allows me to devote more of my attention to my wider surroundings since I don't have to stay focused on the lines and continuously make fine adjustments to steering. I'm more aware of cars to the side and behind as well as front. Driving is less tedious.
My attention is always on drivingI still do not trust the AP when there is no shoulder but concrete barrier. Also when the lane splits into two, i.e. left lane picks up another freeway and right lane stays on, the car does not know which one to take. Scary when your attention is to something else.
I still do not trust the AP when there is no shoulder but concrete barrier. Also when the lane splits into two, i.e. left lane picks up another freeway and right lane stays on, the car does not know which one to take. Scary when your attention is to something else.
My dislike is purely on looks, but that is of course subjective. I prefer the look of a normal steering wheel.i've noticed same on highways in Dallas. I have gotten used to the Yoke and don't understand the dislikes
Competition may eventually catch up, but I can tell you at least in the Greater Boston area, Tesla owns this market, by like a 10 to 1 ratio against all other EV's on the road. On saturday alone, I must have seen at least 30-40 Tesla's in one area of a shopping plaza. I saw maybe 4 non-Tesla EV's in that same area. It's not even close at this point.Obviously their thought process if flawed. I can say at this point after driving with the wheel, if I had to go back to the yoke, I would sell the car and buy something else. I would argue that the most important control input for the car is the wheel. The fact that they effed this up so badly with almost no benefit by going with the yoke, shows me that some of their priorities are truly skewed or their decision making is truly flawed.
The fact that they are putting the yoke on the cyber truck really makes me question how well they understand the role of a truck. They will get the heck flamed out of them once somebody has to park a trailer dealing with this abomination for control inputs.
Hands down I'd buy the F150 over the Cyber Truck. Ford will get the "truck" part right. I have absolutely no faith in Tesla regarding this. The CT may look cool but the Ford will likely just plain work like a truck should. I think Tesla announced way in advance of Ford for an electric truck but Ford beat them by a mile to market.
If Tesla keeps on the path they are, in a decade they could easily be old news. The competition is quickly catch up. If you are going to be on the cutting edge of design decisions, you better get them mostly right, and the key ones you absolutely have to get them 100% right. If the yoke was such an amazing control input, it would be on the 3/Y's right now.
Are there any Tesla's on Turo in your area? In the future, I plan on using them to test drive any vehicle I am thinking to buy.Obviously the big problem with this whole thing is that it's nearly impossible to test drive any Tesla, and even more challenging to test drive a model S with a yoke. That being said, many people have to make this decision no experience at all, unfortunately. Besides, I think it takes thousands of miles in all kinds of different driving situations to really understand the yoke in all of it shortcomings, so even if the test drive seems to go well I don't think that that's going to be the end of the story for many people, unfortunately.
The same scenario is in CA which is the capital of Tesla. The reason is a lack of viable competition. In a few years, when most EV are caught up with the battery range and surpassed Tesla's QC, the ration will change. If Tesla stops messy around with the cute things and concentrate on better customer support and quality, their throne will soon be overthrown.Competition may eventually catch up, but I can tell you at least in the Greater Boston area, Tesla owns this market, by like a 10 to 1 ratio against all other EV's on the road. On saturday alone, I must have seen at least 30-40 Tesla's in one area of a shopping plaza. I saw maybe 4 non-Tesla EV's in that same area. It's not even close at this point.
I am also in the Boston area, and I agree, but with one caveat: Teslas are very easy to spot, whereas many other EVS either look like their manufacturer's ICE vehicles, or just don't look distinctive enough to catch my eye out of the hundreds of other models on the road. As examples, I can never seem to distinguish Porsche Taycans from the Panamera, nor can I ever be sure if a big Audi SUV is a E-tron or the G5, they look so similar. So there may be more EVs around here than I notice.Competition may eventually catch up, but I can tell you at least in the Greater Boston area, Tesla owns this market, by like a 10 to 1 ratio against all other EV's on the road. On saturday alone, I must have seen at least 30-40 Tesla's in one area of a shopping plaza. I saw maybe 4 non-Tesla EV's in that same area. It's not even close at this point.
That's a good point as well. VW ID.4 come to mind as very anonymous looking EV's.I am also in the Boston area, and I agree, but with one caveat: Teslas are very easy to spot, whereas many other EVS either look like their manufacturer's ICE vehicles, or just don't look distinctive enough to catch my eye out of the hundreds of other models on the road. As examples, I can never seem to distinguish Porsche Taycans from the Panamera, nor can I ever be sure if a big Audi SUV is a E-tron or the G5, they look so similar. So there may be more EVs around here than I notice.