There isn’t any indication that is on the table, I’d expect the cars need the newer cameras to work properly.How would that work with forced updates of already sold cars?
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There isn’t any indication that is on the table, I’d expect the cars need the newer cameras to work properly.How would that work with forced updates of already sold cars?
I seriously doubt it, nearly every car sold in ‘the west’ has them. They are produced in significant volumes (e.g. tens of millions a year). Seemingly no other manufacturer is reporting problems with them and hasn’t at all since covid started.I suspect that Tesla removed the USS because they had supply problems and wanted to keep production flowing to try to meet their numbers.
They did it in a hurry and hope that the all seeing Tesla Vision will be able to fill the gap at some point in the future.
I seriously doubt it, nearly every car sold in ‘the west’ has them. They are produced in significant volumes (e.g. tens of millions a year). Seemingly no other manufacturer is reporting problems with them and hasn’t at all since covid started.
My guess is that Tesla made this decision some time ago, making the necessary design changes to the car and started to reduce inventory of the sensors (and stopped orders for more).They should have perfected “vision only” parking before removing USS. But seeing as Vision AP still isn’t up to par with the old Radar AP, I don’t have much hope that they will perfect it.
Model 3 starts from £48k, and it will have no USS and for now there’s no replacement for it, not even a Beta of this vision parking assist. To me that doesn’t sound right.
It seems the timing has not gone quite perfect, as the software release is not available quite yet, but it looks like a gap of only a few weeks before vision parking is available, so not many people will be impacted and in few months this will be largely forgotten.
The radar was disabled to reduce software maintenance cost and that caused a whole bunch of issues. What leads you to believe the same will not happen with USS?There isn’t any indication that is on the table, I’d expect the cars need the newer cameras to work properly.
Deja vu. The same thing happened with the radar.I suspect that Tesla removed the USS because they had supply problems and wanted to keep production flowing to try to meet their numbers.
They did it in a hurry and hope that the all seeing Tesla Vision will be able to fill the gap at some point in the future.
I was talking about Park Assist, not Auto Park (actually called Park Seek).We are talking about 'Park Assist' here, not Auto Park. Two completely different things.
Vision approach needs far more than tweaking a few cameras. It needs some fundamental changes to the environmental protection of many of the cameras and far better lighting when reversing.
Last week I drove most of the way home at night with one or more cameras blocked or blinded, it wasn't even raining and there was no mud or dirt on the car or cameras.
Tesla Vision based on cameras alone cannot be reliable.
Agree with the bulk of your statements, but vision will always be an AI interpretation of a 'flat' 2D image seen through the cameras.I was talking about Park Assist, not Auto Park (actually called Park Seek).
IIRC there is new improved code for Park Assist upcoming in the new stack which will not use USS. it would be odd for Park Assist and Park Seek to use totally different code, it is just the end use case that is different.
It has had more than a "tweaking" - Tesla have created occupancy networks which will change fundamentally how the car sees its surroundings.
This has not been released in any build yet in the UK. Optimus also uses these occupancy networks to walk around its environment, so its mapping should be ideal for garages etc. Check out the AI day 2 presentation on this, and Ashoks video explaining it.
That is because in the UK we are still using the old software stack, where each camera is isolated with no vector space or occupancy network. There are video's of Beta in USA doing incredibly well in heavy rain.
The problem with Lidar systems is that without supplemental vision they are useless. so in the end it all comes down to vision, and in this field Tesla seems to be lightyears ahead both in software and hardware.