Except, their plan view of the cars with the graphic of what the sensors "see" still included the USS arcs until November I think it was?
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[uk] UltraSonic Sensors removal/TV replacement performance
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The major annoyance to the bats was, in bat speak, it kept repeating "Coming soon! Coming soon!"
zoomer0056
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Nit picking here: the rep did not say USS would be removed. He said:
"there was no sign posting on our website that said our newest vehicle configurations would include ultra-sonic sensors"
There's a difference between "USS will be removed" and "we didn't tell you it would have USS".
I had forgotten about those spray guns that used a hoover to blow the air through - no matter how well you cleaned the vacuum cleaner - removed the dust bag and washed the hose out you always ended up with fluff in the paint - mate did his Lambretta GP with one.@GlynG ... Flash git. I was in an Austin A40 that was largely patched with glass fibre and resprayed orange with mum's vacuum cleaner...so very trendy with an orange peel roof where the spray bounced...
I did get a minivan with my first job.. crammed myself in with knees up behind the steering wheel and bent neck to peer out.no luxuries like wing mirrors...
As for fibre glass - My mini had quite a bit of that inside the boot and on the wheel arch to stop water coming in the car near the pedals, I also cut off the front end and put a Clubman front on it - I thought it looked good at the time.
zoomer0056
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There are two dimensions of your question: When will they release TV based something? And When will they achieve parity to the current USS?
If I have to speculate, they will release something in a couple of months. Achieving parity may take years, if ever.
A USS replacement only requires that TV is able to build a good quality and accurate map of the world around the car, while FSD relies on that map plus the ability to identify and predict moving objects AND the decision making/planning layer that sits on top of it.
You can’t navigate around a world if you can’t see it, but if you can see it then reporting on where objects are relative to you is simple.
So basically I think USS replacement is a very interesting litmus test. If TV can’t do it then I don’t see that it is possible for it to do FSD no matter how much effort goes it to it.
I look forward to Tesla deleting Isofix and telling us a vision based system is imminent
Zilla91
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AI is so good that you can feel safe letting the car drive itself while your child is unrestrained. It's some made up number times safer than a human you know
And if the kids misbehave, it will threaten to turn the car around and drive straight home......
in theory FSD should provide this capability - supposedly has persistence (now or soon) which woudl be required for this to work. However potentially a lot of difference between low and high speed vision so lets see.
Also (in theory) you have all steering input and motion data from tyres so if a static object disappears from a camera you should be able to accurately predict where it is. Some objects aren’t static but for eg children you should be relying on USS anyway you should be looking.
It does seem like a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Are USSs expensive? They seem such a commodity these days on even low end cars. And keep them out of the FSD stack if you’re worried about sensor clash and just use in parking mode
This is a decent video to watch which goes over the projected savings, issues, etc:
Short version: it’s anticipated that Tesla save $113 per car, but this includes all of the associated costs (harnesses, etc).
Certainly not enough to justify the loss to customers in my opinion, and I’d assume most people would choose ultrasonics if it were an option for even $150 (as it has been on other cars in the past)
Short version: it’s anticipated that Tesla save $113 per car, but this includes all of the associated costs (harnesses, etc).
Certainly not enough to justify the loss to customers in my opinion, and I’d assume most people would choose ultrasonics if it were an option for even $150 (as it has been on other cars in the past)
Not really, but the wiring and installation costs all adds up. There were potential supply chain issues which triggered the removal, otherwise Tesla would have had to cut vehicle production.
Doudeau
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I’m find it hard to believe Tesla did it for cost savings as they have enhanced the car since the start of production - USB sticks, double layered glass, heat pumps, wireless smartphone charging etc..
They could certainly stop supplying a number of those items without it causing this much hate if it was just to save money.
They could certainly stop supplying a number of those items without it causing this much hate if it was just to save money.
Zilla91
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Passenger lumbar, data usb ports, radar, USS. Yes, "enhanced".
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