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I just sent them a note. Had to resend to nasales@ because ownership@ provided an auto response saying it was no longer monitored. Tesla provided that email address in the letter congratulating the winners of the first referral program just last week. [emoji853]
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Here's the text of the email I just sent to nasales@:
I'd like to add my voice to the many others who are extremely disappointed in your decision to only offer a 48A charger in the MX. While the higher capacity (72A or dual chargers) is not necessary on a frequent basis, when it is needed it is critical. TMC is encouraging destination charging. This is a huge disincentive to destination charging. Most destinations have one or two chargers. I wonder how happy your customers are going to be when they have to wait in line for 8+hours while someone else charges.
Please reconsider this decision, even if you offer the 72Acharger as an option.
Yes but Tesla said they decided to only give 72 amp chargers to founders editions while the rest of production from that point forward is only getting the single 48A charger.
I'll just throw out some Model S experience for the heck of it.
Combined I have over 50,000 miles of Model S usage in the past couple of years. There have been quite a few times where the ~20kW 80A charging has saved me from having to find alternative transportation. It's not a rare occurrence either.
I often found myself arriving home with very few miles and needing to head back out in a relatively short time. 10kW charging would not have cut it. About 1 hour 10 minutes at 80A can get me to the nearest supercharger from 0% charge. Double that to nearly 2.5 hours at 10kW.
Fortunately all of the Model S I've owned have had dual chargers as a factory option, or close to it in the case of my first Model S which was a showroom model with single chargers that had dual chargers installed prior to official delivery. I wouldn't buy a Tesla that couldn't charge at least close to the 20kW I can charge at today because that has been invaluable.
Just the other day I came home with ~80 rated miles left and I needed to drive another 150 miles round trip away from superchargers not long after. I literally just set a timer to my estimate of when it would be done and was able to get back on the road as planned. 40A charging I would have been stuck because the car might have been done charging around the time I'd have needed to be at my destination.
My driving is sporadic, so the actual usefulness of the faster charging isn't always there, but it is important in many cases I've run across where I would not have been able to utilize the Model S without the faster AC charging capability.
Personally, I'd love to have an even faster home charging solution for when I need it. 40kW would be great. Quad chargers FTW.
Or dual 72A chargers?!
Definitely a big step backward if the Model X, which has less range per kWh, has slower charging capability.
Combined I have over 50,000 miles of Model S usage in the past couple of years. There have been quite a few times where the ~20kW 80A charging has saved me from having to find alternative transportation. It's not a rare occurrence either.
I often found myself arriving home with very few miles and needing to head back out in a relatively short time. 10kW charging would not have cut it. About 1 hour 10 minutes at 80A can get me to the nearest supercharger from 0% charge. Double that to nearly 2.5 hours at 10kW.
Fortunately all of the Model S I've owned have had dual chargers as a factory option, or close to it in the case of my first Model S which was a showroom model with single chargers that had dual chargers installed prior to official delivery. I wouldn't buy a Tesla that couldn't charge at least close to the 20kW I can charge at today because that has been invaluable.
Just the other day I came home with ~80 rated miles left and I needed to drive another 150 miles round trip away from superchargers not long after. I literally just set a timer to my estimate of when it would be done and was able to get back on the road as planned. 40A charging I would have been stuck because the car might have been done charging around the time I'd have needed to be at my destination.
My driving is sporadic, so the actual usefulness of the faster charging isn't always there, but it is important in many cases I've run across where I would not have been able to utilize the Model S without the faster AC charging capability.
Personally, I'd love to have an even faster home charging solution for when I need it. 40kW would be great. Quad chargers FTW.
Or dual 72A chargers?! Definitely a big step backward if the Model X, which has less range per kWh, has slower charging capability.
O-G
Member
It has been confirmed that the Model X will ship with the Model S's UMC bundle. NEMA 14-60's are hard to find and expensive. If you need a more expensive UMC plus more expensive installation (if you use NM/Romex you need #4 now for 60A), then you may as well just install a wall connector.
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While true, the way it's worded could be misinterpreted. They didn't decide just because they were Founders that they got the 72A; rather, they said that the signature and production X's would have 48A capability. It's likely that Founders got the original intention, which was 72A; but it's also just as likely that if a 72A charger fails, they'll be replacing it with a 48A charger.
I think the 72A is coming but they don't want people in the X queue postponing orders. Possibly the 72A they received were defective. This would suggest that the 72A has a subcomponent that is not readily available, while the 48A is made from readily available subcomponents.
The previous implementation of the dual charger suggests that building a high power 72A compact charger has challenges.
The previous implementation of the dual charger suggests that building a high power 72A compact charger has challenges.
You guys have a lot of confirmations given basically no deliveries.
Try the series of tubes. $50. Not too bad for 20% more current.
goneskiian
Active Member
My email to Tesla:
I am very unhappy to hear that Tesla has changed the onboard charger from 72Amp to 48Amp in the Model X. I have a confirmed order for a Signature Model X (Sig #1069, VIN 5YJXCBE43GFS00444) and was assured before confirmation that the charger was 72Amp. I plan on traveling a lot in my Model X, and while I plan to use Superchargers where possible, it just isn't always possible. A 48Amp charge will mean a long wait, especially if other Model X are waiting for the same charge. Please reconsider this decision or at least allow an upgrade to a larger charger, if not the dual charger option available in the Model S. I'm willing to live with the non-folding seats and the endless delays but please this will greatly impact anyone that travels long distance in their Model X.
Cyclone
Cyclonic Member ((.oO))
Case in point. Went to an event this evening and I could could only pull 8 amps at 113v there without tripping the breaker. I could detour 45 minutes to hit the Burlington, NC Supercharger to get enough charge to make it to the Charlotte Supercharger, but that was 45 minutes in the opposite direction of Charlotte. Thankfully, there is an 80 amp charger only 15 minutes away on the route to Charlotte. Grabbing 79 amp at 202 volts right now so the estimated charge upon arrive at the Charlotte Superchager is not -5%. Others surely would have situations like this with the X. Much easier to wait 20-30 minutes to grab a charge vs. an hour or spending the 90 minutes to swing by an out of the way Supercharger.
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Chickenlittle
Banned
When I got my 2013 model s I scoffed at why I would need more than a single charge rate at 30 miles an hr but when I decided to keep my antique model s I got the second charger installed. The car charges at more than 65 miles an hr. I enjoy this rate. If I have driven a lot that day, very quick to recharge. It's an option that I enjoy a lot and hope they put in a quicker charger. When, not if, I get model X I suspect it will be after purchase option if not included in purchase options
I don't believe that you require a delivery to "confirm" anything, if your source is properly authoritative (note that my source isn't inside sales or delivery specialists, who are usually at the end of the information spigot). If that's your reference, then the only thing you could confirm at this point is that Founders' vehicles ship with 72A chargers.
Tesla published the charging specs, then pulled them rather than revising, so I think it's still up in the air. I'm going to install the wall connector for the 100A anyway, so they're interchangeable. I hope they publish specs soon.
Of course, Tesla can still change its mind; that said, right now the vehicle will ship with the Model S UMC kit.
The swipe wasn't necessary. My point was not that you couldn't order them, but in terms of charging in the wild you simply won't find them. They're more expensive, and they're rarely used (even in commercial applications). Tesla doesn't have an adapter and would have to re-work the UMC. Bottom line - it's something special. If you're going to install something special for charging at home, you may as well just buy a wall connector.
While I didn't get it on my 60kWh, I would certainly get it on my Sig X as I'll be towing and going more remote places. I think the chance of waiting at a destination charger *just* due to the lack of faster L2 charging is very low; it will certainly rise in the future with more EV's.
Enabling the world with faster L2 capable EV's is going in the right direction. It would be a shame to put all those 80amp destination chargers at great places and then not have the option to fully utilize them.
Enabling the world with faster L2 capable EV's is going in the right direction. It would be a shame to put all those 80amp destination chargers at great places and then not have the option to fully utilize them.
So, low and behold, I just got a phone call from a Tesla "Inside Sales Person" who thanked me for my email and encouraged owners and reservation holders to feel free to email them with these types of suggestions and feedback. He confirmed that the MX will be shipping with a 48A charger but admitted that they were getting a significant amount of feedback and was going to escalate our suggestions to his superiors and the production folks in the hopes that they might reconsider and at least offer the 72A charger as an option. He also indicated that they have some folks who monitor the forums. So by all means, if the 72A charger is important to you, send your emails to Tesla and make your feelings known.
goneskiian
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