rhumbliner
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I have a SC a few miles from me and after using it once or twice for local charging I quickly concluded that the value of the "free" charge doesn't offset the inconvenience, compared to home
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I have a SC a few miles from me and after using it once or twice for local charging I quickly concluded that the value of the "free" charge doesn't offset the inconvenience, compared to home
Correct. Charging while sleeping always trumps driving someplace and charging. So home and destination chargers are preferred. SCs are for daytime stops while traveling.I have a SC a few miles from me and after using it once or twice for local charging I quickly concluded that the value of the "free" charge doesn't offset the inconvenience, compared to home
Re: I’d like to see them offer free supercharging for life (FSFL) but only at superchargers over 100 miles from the home of the owner.
This would be a great idea especially for the US and probably Australia. Certainly here in the UK and I'm guessing a lot of Europe our 'long distances' are often thought of as a little less than 100 miles. Perhaps 50 or 75 miles would be more appropriate.
I'm sure that with all of their expertise Tesla could differentiate between different continents.
Mostly I agree with this, but if you have a 20 mpg car, you are not likely purchasing regular gas, so it should be based on the cost of premium gas. Also on a trip, there is a distinct advantage to driving a nice car rather than an econobox.Driving 100 miles, at 300WH per mile is 30KWH. My home rate is 0.12 or so, that’s $3.60 in energy cost to drive 100 miles. The most costly supercharger rate I’ve seen I believe is $0.28 per KWH, that puts cost at $8.40 per hundred miles driven. That’s significantly more. Average gas prices for me are $2.07 per gallon (today, local average, regular grade). If one gets 20 MPG, 100 miles takes 5 gallons, the gasoline cost is $10.35, so the use of electricity at $0.28 per KWH is 19% more cost effective than using gasoline. If one has a vehicle that gets over 23.8 MPG, it is more cost effective to use gasoline. We have an ‘04 Honda Odyssey, it gets about 26 mpg on a trip. If I was to pay $0.28 per KWH for supercharger use on a trip with my S, I’d pay less for fuel taking the Odyssey and using gasoline. With gasoline prices at the current low and the relatively high supercharger rates, the fuel cost advantage pretty much disappears.
Mostly I agree with this, but if you have a 20 mpg car, you are not likely purchasing regular gas, so it should be based on the cost of premium gas. Also on a trip, there is a distinct advantage to driving a nice car rather than an econobox.
This seems incorrect. We take a lot of trips, and typically the stops are 2-3 hours apart, with 15 minutes of charging time (not counting the extra time we spend eating at lunch stops). I don't recall ever taking an hour to charge at a Supercharger.Taking the other side of your argument, the Odyssey doesn’t need to stop every 1.5-2h for half an hour to an hour of refueling.
Gasoline prices of only $2.07 per gallon are, by historical standards (when accounting for inflation), very cheap. This partly follows from allowing fossil fuel emissions to be spewed into our atmosphere for free, analogous to everyone dumping their trash on public lands at no cost, but that's a larger issue than the topic at hand.In Europe where gasoline prices are much higher, electrically powered travel makes more sense, even with high supercharger rates. In the US, at today’s fuel prices, unless the superchargers are free, or perhaps equal to local utility rates, the use of a Tesla for long distance travel doesn’t make much sense from a fuel cost point of view. Since Tesla relies heavily on this fuel cost savings for their marketing, even to the point of preferentially listing the car prices as including this fuel savings, this should cause Tesla some real concern.
I was objecting to the concept of free Supercharging more than 100 miles from home primarily because it would still incentivize inefficient use of the Supercharger network. In our case, we don't routinely Supercharge at the base of our mountain unless we're returning from long trips. My point was that, if we had to pay to Supercharge close to home but not further away, then that would incentivize us to spend more time at more distant Superchargers.Some people have objected to this concept because they use a local charger, one fellow because he charges at the base of a mountain, presumably he lives well up this mountain. Others feel their use of local superchargers is necessary. All that is fine. There’s nothing that says one cannot use local chargers, they’ll just pay the same as what they pay now. No one is being hurt by this, they just have additional options.
I pay approx 10 cents per KWh at home, I get about 3 miles per KWh.
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What is the mileage of your car and what rate do you pay for your electricity?
Varies greatly, I'm not sure where you would find the rate of each. Anybody else know where to find rate of each?Is there a fixed rate for Supercharger use in the US, or does it vary by location? Is it possible to know the rate prior to use?
Varies greatly, I'm not sure where you would find the rate of each. Anybody else know where to find rate of each?
I know that some of us have free supercharging for life. My car is "pre" auto pilot and awd, so to me this is probably one of the best existing benefits that I am not willing to give up to move to the newer car. Let me know what would you consider a "must" to give up this great benefit.
I know that some of us have free supercharging for life. My car is "pre" auto pilot and awd, so to me this is probably one of the best existing benefits that I am not willing to give up to move to the newer car. Let me know what would you consider a "must" to give up this great benefit.
I've heard it's supposed to be the average price for that state.Is there a fixed rate for Supercharger use in the US, or does it vary by location? Is it possible to know the rate prior to use?
Is your Odyssey really so much faster than your S that you don't get passed?Twice people passed me in other makes, pointed to the Tesla and gave me a wide smile and a thumbs up. No one does that when I’m in the Odyssey.