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Delivery day...

Today, 12/2/22 was delivery day for me. My Fremont MY 2023 came with the matrix light and cargo cover. No updated camera nor can I tell if it has the comfort suspension. Did a thorough inspection, I think. Found only two issues that they immediately fixed. Since it was dark I will have to look it over again in the morning.

The first issue I found was a nail in the middle of the front left tire, a big one I might add. As to why they didn't feel or hear it when they brought the car out after detailling, just amazes me. They replaced it with a brand new one.

The second issue was the headliner was pulled down a little. I think when they were removing the plastic wrapping, they must have pulled too hard. They pushed it back in.

Other than that, took it to it's first SC.

Is Tesla Y better than other all electric SUVs?

Hi all, We have been on the waitlist for the Tesla Model Y for close to a year now. Tesla told us to expect the car this month and now I am getting cold feat since the car is way more than I have ever spent on a car. So I am looking at the all-electric competition in the lower price range and wondering if anyone could help me justify why the Tesla Y is better than these cheaper all electric alternative SUVs:

Ford Mustang Mach-E

Volkswagen ID.4

Volvo C40

Hyundai Ioniq

Audi Q4 etron
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What should I do with my scratched model y?

Hi, I just noticed today that my model y has a pretty big scratch and lower front bumper panel came off a little. I’m not sure how it happened. I wasn’t in any accident. From the sentry footage I don’t see anyone scratching my car(although I dunno if it captured everything). Question now where should I fix this mess? Should I go to tesla service or some third party? I’m located in NYC. I’m so sad it’s not even a year yet. Sucks! Appreciate y’all help. Thanks!


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Real world model Y experience

Hi everyone,

I'm shamingly stealing this from a M3 post back in 2019 that made its way to the front page.

Couldn't see a thread with everyone's MY experiences and I know there's lots being delivered to the UK now. Mine is being delivered on 10/12 so my excitement is through the roof.

Anyone wanna have a crack at the questions below ive seen on a previous post? Maybe don't answer them all

What has delighted you?
What has disappointed you?
How are you managing with the range?
What are your favourite features?
What features annoy you the most?
What do you most miss about an ICE car?
What 2-3 small features would you suggest for inclusion in a future revision?
Autopilot/FSD thoughts?
Have you had to make changes to your normal driving habits?
Any major or minor issues with the car yet?
Anything those on the waiting list shouldn’t worry too much about?

Thanks in advance!

Phantom Brake Crash?

I'm not trolling but ran across this. I wonder if it could be related to a phantom braking incident. Was hoping maybe locals had additional insight.

The San Francisco Fire Department said six people were trapped in cars and had to be rescued.

Shayna Kelly, who was driving at the time of the crash, said a Tesla was abruptly stopping and swerving just before the crash.

"He just made a sudden stop," Kelly said. "There was nowhere to go, you couldn’t go left, right, nowhere."

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Take delivery or cancel?

What should I do?

  • Take delivery now and be happy

    Votes: 36 85.7%
  • Cancel order and reorder in the new year

    Votes: 6 14.3%

Hi everyone!

I’m probably overthinking this but I’m looking for some advice. I ordered a model Y about a month ago with a projected delivery time of Feb-May next year. This has since been updated to delivery on the 14/12 this year with a car build date of 15/9, so MY22.

My concern is that as soon as I take delivery my car will effectively be a year old as they are now pumping out MY23’s and it’s December.. and I’m worried about the effect on resale as I’ll be getting rid of it in 3 years (novated lease)

Am I over thinking it or should I cancel and reorder next year?


How to sue Tesla over historical claims

I sued Tesla in small claims and won. Twice! You can too. I had two claims:
  1. I have a car with AP2.5. Tesla advertised this car as having “all hardware needed for full self driving capability.” When I went to subscribe to “Full Self Driving Capability,” Tesla required a $1,000 hardware upgrade to subscribe to this, while calling the upgrade hardware the “Full Self Driving Computer.” Clearly the car does not have all hardware needed, despite the advertisement at time of sale.
  2. I have a car with MCU1. As commonly reported, software updates have hindered the functionality, such as breaking voice recognition and causing lockups. Tesla acknowledged that the issues were known software bugs with no resolution date. Tesla’s solution was a $2000 hardware upgrade, even though the car was under warranty, and the car would no longer do what is listed in the owners manual. A NHTSA recall prevented rollback to previous software versions.
    1. Even if MCU1 worked fine, it doesn’t support FSD, so claim #1 would have applied here.
I read my purchase agreement, which states that an owner can use arbitration or small claims for any disputes. It requests that you email [email protected] for any legal issues. I wrote this address 3 times over many weeks, with no response.

Without a response, I filed a small claims case. I properly served Tesla’s registered agent in my state, and then appeared in court (via zoom!) on the appointed date. Tesla made no arguments to defend against my claims, as they did not appear for the hearings.

The Judge reviewed my situation based on the evidence I provided, which included Tesla’s own claims on their website, owners manuals, service estimates, and their descriptions of the Infotainment and Full Self Driving computer upgrades. The Judge agreed that the first claim was false advertising and the second was a breech of warranty, finding for me in full ($3000+tax).

To Tesla’s credit, when I sent the judgment to their resolutions email address, they did pay the amount in full within a few weeks.

You can do this too if you feel Tesla’s policies are unfair. In almost every jurisdiction in the USA you can use small claims for disagreements such as this. The process is easy, and only takes a few hours of your time overall. Lots of places allow you to file online and attend court via Zoom. Most states don’t allow lawyers in small claims, so Tesla won’t have a lawyer on the other side if someone does bother to show up, just a local rep.

You can do this even if you didn’t opt out of Tesla’s arbitration agreement, as the Purchase Agreement specifically allows Small Claims as a method of resolution in all cases. You also have the option of using arbitration, which costs nothing and Tesla pays all fees. Worst case is you don’t win.

DM me if you want any help.

Note: I don’t hate Tesla. I think their cars and mission are great. I just believe they should be held to promises made as part of the sales process or warranty, and the more people that hold them too it, the better they will get in the future,

Can I delay?

I placed a reservation in March 2022 for a Model Y and the delivery date was Sept-December 2022. Then in June the date was changed by Tesla to March 2023-June 2023. I opted to extend the lease on my existing Honda an additional year since my Tesla was extended out. Now I got a text from Tesla saying my car will be ready in a few days. Can I delay? What is someone supposed to do when they move delivery so far out and then move it up?

  • Poll
USS Retrofit (Place your bets)

If you could bet if Tesla would retrofit USS, what would you bet? (Double your money)

  • USS to be Retrofitted

    Votes: 8 11.3%
  • No Retrofit, software & vision

    Votes: 63 88.7%

A friend just picked up MY and they are thinking of returning it because there is no front camera, so they dont feel like they can park safely. Yes not all drivers are the best, hence assistance and yes, some people dont need them.

If you want to learn more about USS head over here
Tesla Vision - Removal of UltraSonic Sensors

I'm keen on getting a view if people think USS would be retrofitted as the wiring loom is being shipped. Who knows Tesla might be on this forum and may start a convo with Elon!

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"Acceleration and top speed reduced" ?

Last night I updated to software 2022.40.4.2 and I woke up with the car having the following error messages:
1. Power limited - OK to drive. Vehicle may not restart after this drive
2. Acceleration and top speed reduced. Performance may be restored on next drive.

I read that this could be a major issue, do I need to stop what I'm doing and schedule an emergency mobile service?? I can only do mobile service, closest physical location is 3 1/2 hours away


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Tesla Semi’s EPA range rating will simply never exist…Here’s why

Tesla Semi’s EPA range rating will simply never exist…Here’s why-TESLARATI

ByJoey Klender
Posted on November 9, 2022

You’ll never know how far the Tesla Semi, the Volvo VNR, or other electric semi-trucks will go according to EPA testing standards. The answer is incredibly complex, but simply put, the EPA does not test or evaluate heavy-duty trucks for range ratings. Don’t expect the agency to tell you how far the Tesla Semi or other EV trucks will go because testing simply does not happen.

This allows manufacturers of heavy-duty electric vehicles and semi-trucks to have a profoundly unique ability to control the narrative that surrounds how far their product can go on a full charge. As crazy as it sounds, customers leaping into the all-electric Class 8 sector are putting trust in the companies they buy from when weighing what is arguably the most important metric of the EV ownership experience: range.

Following the certification of the Tesla Semi by the EPA in late October, which Teslarati exclusively reported on, we were bombarded with questions surrounding the vehicle’s EPA-rated range. Light-duty passenger electric vehicles and their success can almost always be gauged by how customers react to range ratings during unveiling events. When Lucid announced it had successfully reached an EPA-rated 520 miles of range on a single charge in the Air Dream Edition, the EV world was astounded. While the vehicle has felt heavy demand on order logs, Lucid still fulfills them to this day.

Meanwhile, other manufacturers bring vehicles to the market with relatively “light” range projections or ratings. It is always disappointing to see a vehicle with so much potential offer so little of what EV owners want: driving range. People do not want to stop at EV chargers. They want to continue their journey on the roads.

Polestar’s recently-unveiled Polestar 3 comes to mind when I (and some others) think of an astounding vehicle with not-so-astounding range and efficiency. Despite its 111 kWh battery pack, the Polestar 3 only offers 379 miles of WLTP-rated range. WLTP ratings are usually much more generous than EPA ratings, so I am anticipating the vehicle to reach around 300 miles of range when the U.S. agency gets its hands on it.

When light-duty vehicles are assessed, approved, and granted Certificates of Conformity from the EPA, they are available for the public to read and include results on efficiency and range testing. This is where heavy-duty vehicles and the testing process differ vastly from light-duty ones.

While these are both vehicle classes that are purchased and used by consumers on public roads, only light-duty vehicles are assessed for range ratings, while heavy-duty vehicle manufacturers do not have their products’ range “evaluated, reported, or included” in an application for certification, the EPA said in an emailed statement.

The EPA has numerous documents relating to this idea, as well as the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE). However, the documents never directly specified why heavy-duty vehicles are not required to be tested by federal agencies. That does not mean that reasoning is not available.

The fact of the matter is the agency may not have been prepared to test heavy-duty electric vehicles for range ratings, especially this soon. A document found in the Federal Register that was submitted by the EPA and Department of Transportation (USDOT) in 2016 titled, “Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Fuel Efficiency Standards for Medium- and Heavy-Duty Engines and Vehicles— Phase 2,” which established rules to reduce greenhouse gases, includes an interesting tidbit regarding electric vehicles:

“Given the high up-front costs and the developing nature of this technology, the agencies do not project fully electric vocational vehicles to be widely commercially available in the time frame of the final rules. For this reason, the agencies have not based the Phase 2 standards on adoption of full-electric vocational vehicles. We received many comments on electric trucks and buses. Specifically, EEI provided information on the total cost of ownership for electric trucks, and some applications may see attractive long-term cost.”

The time frame of the final rules is set to end in 2027 and apply to model year 2027 vehicles, according to the document.

The agency recognized in 2016 that these technologies may be in development, and we all know they are. As the EPA and NHTSA may not have been able to predict how quickly all-electric heavy-duty trucks would become a prevalent piece of American logistics, the agencies were aware that this technology was coming in the future:

“Phase 2 will include technology advancing standards that will phase in over the long-term (through model year 2027) to result in an ambitious, yet achievable program that will allow manufacturers to meet standards through a mix of different technologies at reasonable cost. The terminal requirements go into effect in 2027, and would apply to MY 2027 and subsequent model year vehicles, unless modified by future rulemaking. The Phase 2 standards will maintain the underlying regulatory structure developed in the Phase 1 program, such as the general categorization of MDVs and HDVs and the separate standards for vehicles and engines. However, the Phase 2 program will build on and advance Phase 1 in a number of important ways including the following: basing standards not only on currently available technologies but also on utilization of technologies now under development or not yet widely deployed while providing significant lead time to assure adequate time to develop, test, and phase in these controls.”


This is where things get very tricky because if the EPA is not testing the range itself as an unbiased government organization, it means manufacturers are required to test the vehicles themselves, leaving consumers to trust the companies that they are buying from.

Technically, manufacturers could say whatever they want regarding their electric trucks. Tesla has maintained significant range ratings for the Semi throughout its development, with Elon Musk recently stating the vehicle will have 500 miles of range per charge, with a sizeable payload. Of course, Tesla has been testing its vehicle internally and with the help of verified customers, like Frito Lay, who will take delivery of the first Semi on December 1.

It really comes down to independent testing. Volvo, for example, tested the range of its all-electric VNR Class 8 heavy-duty truck through a pilot program with third-party companies. Through its LIGHTS (Low Impact Green Heavy Transport Solutions) project, Volvo had companies like NFI Industries test the VNR through its commercial operations to prove and demonstrate the truck’s ability.

“By participating in the Volvo LIGHTS project, NFI is helping to prove that Volvo’s VNR Electric trucks can handle the daily rigors of freight movement. NFI continues to be a leader in sustainability, and it comes across in everything they do,” Peter Voorhoeve, president of Volvo Trucks North America, said. “NFI is realizing the immediate value the electric VNR provides—not just by eliminating emissions but creating an enthusiastic workforce complimenting the experience of driving these electric truck models.”

The LIGHTS project ran through 2021 and provided Volvo with “real-world operational data critical to the successful commercial scaling of these vehicles.”

So how do you know how far an all-electric Class 8 heavy-duty vehicle goes? You might literally have to find out for yourself, or you can trust the manufacturer’s word for it.
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Tesla Semi delivery event, 1 December 2022

From electrek

Tesla Semi production hero

Tesla confirmed that it is going to hold an event on December 1 for the first Tesla Semi deliveries. More details about the production version of the electric truck could be released.

While Tesla used to hold regular unveiling events for new products and production vehicle programs, the automaker moved away from them since the pandemic and instead held Battery Day and AI Day events annually.

CEO Elon Musk said that Tesla wouldn’t unveil new vehicles for a while as it focuses on ramping up production of its existing vehicle programs.

But now we learn that Tesla will hold a rare event for the start of deliveries and unveiling of a new production-version vehicle: Tesla Semi.

While the automaker hasn’t officially announced the event, Martin Viecha, Tesla’s head of investor relations, confirmed it by announcing that Tesla will hold a random drawing for retail shareholders to join:

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The executive is referencing the new Tesla Shareholder Platform that the company launched this summer to offer new features to its retail shareholders.

It now sounds like one of the first uses of the platform is going to be this drawing for the Tesla Semi event.

As is usually the case for Tesla delivery events, the automaker is expected to not only hand over the first vehicles to customers, but it should also hold a presentation about the vehicle program, which is long overdue for the Tesla Semi.

Tesla Semi was first unveiled in 2017, and the production version was delayed several times. Last summer, Tesla offered a small update on the production version, but the automaker is expected to release more details, including the price and more configurations beyond roughly “300 miles” and “500 miles” of range.

More details on the efficiency of the truck beyond “less than 2 kWh per mile” that Tesla currently quotes would also be welcomed by customers.

Electrek’s Take​

We need more efficiency and pricing details to do the math on the Tesla Semi and really understand its potential impact on the trucking industry.

There could also be a surprise at the event. After all, Tesla unveiled the new Roadster as a surprise at the original Tesla Semi unveiling, and the Roadster is also due for an update.

It might be wishful thinking, but I think a new Roadster prototype, or even an early production look since the new Roadster is supposed to arrive next year, would be cool to see and bring back some of the fun that came with Tesla events.

Getting a bit cheesed off with software glitches

New member here.

I genuinely like my M3LR but lately I'm getting really cheesed off with all the software glitches. In the last week I've had:-

-Cruise control refused to work for an entire 50 mile journey.
-Mobile phone wouldn't connect until I did the 2 button reset.
-Mobile phone wouldn't hang up after a call until I did the 2 button reset.
-Spotify refused to connect one day.
-70 mph speed limits seem to have disappeared on the motorway.

I've had my car 20 months and have driven 50k miles so I spend a lot of time in my car. Initially the software was rock solid but seems to be deteriorating as they update it. I really don't care that it can flash it's lights and play a tune I just want the basics to be dependable.

Ami I being pedantic or have any other owners noticed more problems recently?

Model 3 rattles and vibrations, am I being unreasonable?

Hi all,

Collected my model 3 LR in August, initially everything was perfect, then little by little some vibration, rattles, noises started popping up here and there.
I live in Cambridge, where the roads are particularly bad. My nearest SC is Milton Keynes but that's still 1 hour / 60 miles away. Milton Keynes have perfect roads in comparison to Cambridge.

I have taken the car twice to the SC. In both occasions the Tesla people have been amazingly helpful and nice. But they have the problem of having very good roads, so they find it hard to identify issues. They have a bumpy road and they assume me twice that they have tested the car.

I have just come back from my second service appointment, and not only are the same rattles present, but now I have a new one as a results of having the parcel shelf at the back of the car replaced (came faulty from factory). Now, I understand Cambridge is very bad, but my 55K car sounds and feels like a cheap Dacia when driving locally.

What should I do?

Will CyberTruck be 1000V architecture?

Just watching the Semi Delivery Live Stream and they mention 1,000 V architecture. That seems like a perfect fit for the CyberTruck, because 250 kW charging isn't going to be very good with a large battery on the CT. The connector can support up to 1,000 V @ 900 A, which is 900 kW. Much better for charging a large battery.

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Tesla Semi Delivery Event Live Watch Party (Guest: Wes Wahlin) | TMC Podcast #28

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Live stream watch party for Tesla Semi Delivery Event. We were joined by special guest Wes Wahlin, a Former Tesla AP Program Manager. We watch the stream together and then share our thoughts.

0:00 Stream begins
0:22 Intro
7:11 Tesla's stream starts
38:30 We share our thoughts

Wes Wahlin - Former Tesla AP Program Manager

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Adam: ElectricAve84
James: scrapps
Daniel: danny

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$3,750 discount from Tesla on Model 3 and Y delivered this year

I just learned from the Tesla Owners Florida Club that Tesla is giving a $3,750 discount (not tax credit) on Model 3 and Y orders if you take delivery this month, in the US only. I saw another thread about this in the Model Y forum (Electrek: Tesla gives $3,750 discount for Model 3/Y in the US this month, but only when I started posting this, so I'm posting here too for increased visibility.
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Tesla offering a discount on new car deliveries this month!?

I haven't yet independently confirmed this, but here is a quote from an email I just received from the Tesla Owners Florida club:

Breaking news! Tesla has let me know that anyone who takes delivery of a Model 3 or Model Y before the end of the year will receive a $3,750 discount on the price. For more information contact the Tesla Store at the Florida Mall in Orlando, or your nearest Tesla location.
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Is it possible to get 250 miles on the interstate with a 2022 M3P?

What speeds would you have to run to get that? Seems like running 70-80 mph it gets maybe 180-190 miles at most from 100% charge(have only done it once just to see)?

I made a 130 mile trip and only had 94 miles left when parked. So started with 310+- and went 130 miles and have 94 left. So 310-130 is 180. What does it actually take to get anywhere close 310 miles? 50 mph? Only mixed driving with 50% city and 50% interstate and 50 mph???
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