| A few observations: | Wigglely lines are what you get. | Straight or curved would be better. |
| Measurements: | Are conservative. Probably a 6 to 12" cushion. | Need side measurements also. |
| Audio Warnings: | Get your attention, don't seem progressive, only on/off. | Progressively louder and faster would be better. |
| Colors: | Yellow Somewhat Close w/in 2 feet, Red w/in 1 foot | Seem ok for now. |
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2023.6.9
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They could be saving some features for 2023.69.420
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Ideally the vision system will provide similar distance displays and chimes that the ultrasonic sensors would measure, not auto braking.
That's a tall order. Tesla doesn't have binocular vision. Perhaps it uses the changing image from the car approaching an object.
It's especially challenging for it to estimate distance to objects that are hidden from the current front cameras by the hood line. Tesla is partially working around that by remembering what the cameras last saw.
Scenario: Parallel park. Then while the Tesla sleeps, two cars park very close ahead and behind. Both cars are just static images when Tesla wakes. The car in front has a bumper below Tesla's vision line.
How well can Vision Park Assist help you get out of that tight parking spot?
chobra
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Ideally the vision system will provide similar distance displays and chimes that the ultrasonic sensors would measure, not auto braking.
In my opinion VS is better than USS, when compared to my BMW with USS versus MY with VS
Display and chimes\beeps
VS is 360 degrees (simulated\approx)
USS doesn't include the sides of the vehicle
Given that you have a 2020 M3 with USS and I assume like it, then for you it's all good since Tesla is not going to remove USS functionality
Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision | Tesla Support Other Europe
Safety is at the core of our design and engineering decisions. In 2021, we began our transition to Tesla Vision by removing radar from Model 3 and Model Y, followed by Model S and Model X in 2022. Today, in most regions around the globe, these vehicles now rely on Tesla Vision, our camera-based...
chobra
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Do the math. Save the world. — Mark Leon
Hopefully they stick with that decision! They did remove radar functionality. (Radar is great to have when fog rolls in.)
In any case, it's interesting to follow Tesla's change. Were it my call, I'd get it working at production quality before removing the USS from the production line.
I was thinking about this after the previous post. Assuming Vision Park Assist uses the wide-angle camera, the main camera might work with it for binocular vision within its narrower angle of view. Complicating factors include lower resolution after upscaling to match the wide angle view and alignment with the fisheye lens warp.
Even if it meant reducing, or stopping, production because you couldn't get enough USS hardware?
If you don't want to be known for putting out a product whose quality is crappy, yes. Although all evidence points to the removal of USS having nothing to do with ability to source the hardware.
"Not much scope for regression"??
This release completely replaces a 360-degree hardware sensor system with a persistence-based obstacle-recognizing software vision implementation.
A slow fleet rollout is absolutely appropriate for a change of this magnitude.
?? No it doesn’t, it’s not replacing anything.
The new functionality only affects non-USS vehicles that currently have no park assist functionality at all.
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Do the math. Save the world. — Mark Leon
If there really was a supply limitation, in lieu of a production quality vision substitute, I could see shipping some vehicles without USS and offering those customers a choice of a discount or a hold on their order.
smogne41
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Absolutely nothing in their statements about this promises to keep USS working, just that they "have no current plans" to deactivate them. Once vision is 'good enough' they absolutely will switch all cars over so they don't have to bother supporting USS in software. And 'good enough' means 'good enough' for Tesla, not good enough for owners. Also, they have to be loyal to the 'Tesla Vision' to keep their jobs, regardless of owner protests.
I wonder if this release is prioritizing non USS cars in ownership order? In other words, those of us without any park assist the longest? Most installers seem to have Jan sign up dates. Of course with Tesla YMMV. My experience is limited to the US market. I'm not sure about our non US brother and sister owners.
That’s a lovely rant but what does it have to do with 2023.6.9? This release does not affect any functionality that currently exists, hence it has very little scope to introduce regression, as I said.
chobra
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Code forks are not free. They have two parallel systems that do similar things, but which share resources and outputs. Both have graphical display overlays, both have audio alerts, and both are high-priority time-sensitive processing that are intertwined with the existing video feeds and processing done by those systems. They absolutely are not isolate new features with no other systems impacts.
This discussion should be coming to an end. We know that ultrasonic sensors have been removed for good and now been replaced by camera-based distance measurement.
It has already been rolled out in a first version. We know what to expect. It will probably get a bit better over time, and we will observe that progress, which is the only remaining point to discuss, perhaps with hints on how to make the best use of the new feature.
It has already been rolled out in a first version. We know what to expect. It will probably get a bit better over time, and we will observe that progress, which is the only remaining point to discuss, perhaps with hints on how to make the best use of the new feature.
I think the words 'At this time ...' are doing a lot of heavy lifting.Ideally the vision system will provide similar distance displays and chimes that the ultrasonic sensors would measure, not auto braking.
In my opinion VS is better than USS, when compared to my BMW with USS versus MY with VS
Display and chimes\beeps
VS is 360 degrees (simulated\approx)
USS doesn't include the sides of the vehicle
Given that you have a 2020 M3 with USS and I assume like it, then for you it's all good since Tesla is not going to remove USS functionality
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Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision | Tesla Support Other Europe
Safety is at the core of our design and engineering decisions. In 2021, we began our transition to Tesla Vision by removing radar from Model 3 and Model Y, followed by Model S and Model X in 2022. Today, in most regions around the globe, these vehicles now rely on Tesla Vision, our camera-based...www.tesla.com
How do these software updates work? I'd like to get Park Assist on my Model X, just bought it last week. It says I'm on the latest, which is 2023.2.301. Sounds like this is only going out to M3/MY, is that typical?
Wondering if I made a huge mistake buying a MX without USS...
Wondering if I made a huge mistake buying a MX without USS...
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