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Yes, but how much delayed delivery is reasonable? Some seems to mean a year is ok. How about 2 years? 5 years?Other manufacturers deliver what they promise because, once you buy the car, that's it. No future improvements or features.
Right or wrong, well-intentioned or not, with OTA updates, Tesla can sell future features and deliver later. Other manufacturers can't do that yet.
@luckyj thank you for posting the language that Tesla clearly states on its website. It appears that some people missed reading it.
What I personally dislike isn't the design studio text, but rather the unreasonable expectations concerning the timeframe.
I am currently in the middle of my AP1 Model S lease, now if I had waited a bit longer, my car would have had EAP and FSD and I am pretty sure I would have payed for FSD without ever using it until the end of my lease. In my case that would be 57€ every month, for something I can't use.
I hope Tesla proves me wrong, but feel bad for anyone on a lease, who got FSD because of the "3-6 months" promise.
That language doesn't cover things they've listed, it says that there may be more features. It does not excuse them listing features that don't exist - they are basically acting like those features are already introduced by advertising them.To Tesla's credit, it's not even done in smaller font or with an asterisk at the bottom of the page.
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While lying helped sell a few cars, I have a hard time trusting them again. I have an AP1 car that I love. I will never buy a Tesla that isn't superior to what I have. Since I have a lease, I may get something from Tesla but it certainly won't have AP which is a shame. Chances are, I will buy out the lease.
Amazing that my 2.5 year old car is significantly better in regards to AP compared to a new car. Now no one predicted that!
I never expected AP2 to be so bad. I mean a year later and not to parity yet - unbelievable.
Not exactly. This is not the norm for advertising car features that costs close to $100k. It might be the norm for restaurant freebies though.
Can you tell me which other car manufacturer does that?
Frankly I'm exhausted by seeing these threads. Not because they don't have merit but the opposite, because they do. It's really absurd at this point. I have a December build 2016 P100D. For the love of god stop saying they didn't promise. They did! It was there on the website in black and white. They would deliver on AP2 end of December. Then there was the FSD tweet 3 to 6 months. Fine there is a delay, whatever. Just give a realistic timeline and stick to it.
"Subject to Regulatory approval". Really my auto wipers are subject to regulatory approval? Changing freeways is subject to regulatory approval? Smart summon, subject to regulatory approval? Exiting a freeway is subject to regulatory approval. Huh?
I'm a fanboy no doubt. I've dreamt of owning a Tesla since the Model S reveal. The second I could I bought one. Then two 4 months later I bought another. I love Tesla, their service is first class (in my experience, others might have other experiences). Their sales staff is great. I own zero Tesla stock and I am 100% just a huge fan but for crying out loud just deliver so I can stop seeing these threads! I'd like to see debates about how to make it better not why is nothing happening at all!
I 100% agree. The worst part IMO though, is not only the dissonance between what is promised and what is there, but also the rate of progress communicated and actually happening.
All this talk about silky smooth, something special, neural nets and machine learning and we see close to no improvement. And if we look at what's promised for EAP and where we are now, there is a lot of stuff that needs to happen before we can even talk about FSD diverging from EAP.
And maybe I misinterpreted it, but I thought the "3-6 month" tweet meant that most of EAP functionality would be there in 3-6 months. Because how could FSD surpass EAP, if the car can't even exit a freeway, or select the best lane? What functionality could be FSD exclusive, without EAP being 100% ready?
No other car will have features continuously added with over-the-air upgrades after purchase. any other car you buy, your car will never gain functionality as soon as you drive off the lot.
@luckyj @escarfan et al: The EAP disclaimers you refer to that are currently on the website were added in early 2017. Prior to that Tesla falsely claimed that all the EAP features were only awaiting final validation, for expected delivery in December. Fourth quarter buyers didn't fail to heed the warnings; they weren't there.
Those buying EAP or FSD now have been warned, at least, though I don't believe the disclaimers convey the full truth: that these features may be years away, and may never materialize on the current hardware.
So I googled around the terms "alpha" and "beta" in software cycles. Is there a developer-community accepted definition for these?In the computer industry, vaporware is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled.
Vaporware is often announced months or years before its purported release, with few details about its development being released.
Software development is a complex process, and developers are often uncertain how long it will take to complete any given project. Fixing errors in software, for example, can make up a significant portion of its development time, and developers are motivated not to release software with errors because it could damage their reputation with customers. Large organizations seem to have more late projects than smaller ones, and may benefit from hiring individual programmers on contract to write software than using in-house development teams. Adding people to a late software project does not help; according to Brooks' Law, doing so increases the delay.
Announcing a product which does not exist to gain a competitive advantage is illegal via Section 2 of the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890, but few hardware or software developers have been found guilty of it. The section requires proof that the announcement is both provably false, and has actual or likely market impact.
Development hell