charlesoris
2022 MYLR Red/White, 19", OD:12/13/21
It is a marketing scheme to sell Enhanced AP for $6K which I am not going to pay for.
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When I've used Autopilot, I could always use it for as long as I wanted, so being disabled every 15~30 minutes is definitely not normal in my experience.Hello,
I'm considering buying Tesla Model Y and rented one for a week. It's a new model - end of 2022, EU, with interior camera.
I'm having a problem with autopilot - it just doesn't work long enough and constantly ending with message like "Autopilot has been disabled for the rest of the trip"
I'm keeping my hands on steering wheel all the time, I'm not wearing hat, doesn't have sunglasses
It shutting down autopilot with 2 circumstances from what I've noticed:
1) By flashing blue light and then beeping it seems once and then just it - autopilot is disabled. It happened in following circumstances:
- I'm driving some difficult curve, watching traffic and/or holding steering wheel so ready to intervene within milliseconds - then I don't have time to look at display and can legitimately miss blue flashing and when it starts to beep I may not be able immediately to jiggle strong enough (like I'm mid turn) so it'll notice it .
- I'm driving on the road where autopilot makes minor correction left and right, blue light is flashing, I'm jiggling the wheel but it looks like I'm doing it into the same direction as autopilot correction so it doesn't notice that, eventually it sees my intervention but too late - I'm blocked.
Often it's combination of both.
2) Different scenario - I'm driving on straight highway for about 15-20 minutes where nothing much happened - driving straight with stable speed, then out of the blue it just start screaming and flashing red that I need to immediately hold steering wheel (I'm holding it all the time so had to jiggle it strongly).
Just to clarify - I'm holding steering wheel all the time, looking straight to the road (mostly, had to look downwards a lot to see if it's flashing blue), not using my phone, not wearing sunglasses etc.
I'm actually quite disappointed in autopilot - it works really great but had to get a stop each 15-30 minutes to restart it, while my current vehicle - 2020 Toyota Rav 4 seems far superior - can drive on a highway for hours with me just resting a hand on a steering wheel, I barely got any requirements to jiggle. However it doesn't handle windy road that well as tesla (but at the other hand no need to restart)
Wondering, if it's rental car I have is defective?
Or is it just how autopilot works, and if so - how do you manage it, i.e. do you just drive without autopilot or keep stopping and restarting a whole car each 15-30 minutes?
hold on...doesn't the newer teslas use the cabin camera to determine if driver is paying attention rather than torque on the steering wheel?
Autopilot function is totally depends on the surroundings, such as traffic, road condition (construction, lane markings,), emergency vehicles, etc.
It is not really designed for local roads with a lot of distractions.
The one that you rented could be defective or it could be just the road conditions that initiated the "take over steering now" warning and disengagement.
I take 300-500 mile trips frequently with autopilot and have no issues at all.
Maybe @nate704 are lucky, but I have done a 1,000 mile round trip three times in my first year with an MYLR, and there has been only once (in a very heavy downpour) where autopilot disengaged. I just did a 120 mile trip (one way) last night with no issues as well.I find this bit hard to believe. Are any portions of these "500 mile" trips at night and/or light fog and/or rain of any kind, including light drizzle? Since Tesla all-but-disabled the radar in my Model Y, I've found Autopilot to be highly unreliable except in perfectly clear, dry conditions. Other than that, it's gotten really bad. Light rain or mist often triggers the various "camera blocked" notifications, which I never used to get prior to the "Tesla Vision" forced updates. Even windshield wiper fluid droplets on the front camera can now sometimes trigger the "Autopilot speed limited due to limited front camera visibility" notification and turn off Autopilot.
yYeah, I too find a big difference between my original model three and my new model Y when it comes to being able to function as cleanly in stop and go traffic. Not to mention going around curves on sloping (up or down) highway sections.I find this bit hard to believe. Are any portions of these "500 mile" trips at night and/or light fog and/or rain of any kind, including light drizzle? Since Tesla all-but-disabled the radar in my Model Y, I've found Autopilot to be highly unreliable except in perfectly clear, dry conditions. Other than that, it's gotten really bad. Light rain or mist often triggers the various "camera blocked" notifications, which I never used to get prior to the "Tesla Vision" forced updates. Even windshield wiper fluid droplets on the front camera can now sometimes trigger the "Autopilot speed limited due to limited front camera visibility" notification and turn off Autopilot.
I’ve had auto pilot disengage abruptly without warnings.I wonder if you had a flaky car. I have never had AP disengage in any conditions, and I used it any time I can to get used to its limits. Lane Centering generally works amazingly well. My only frustration with the system is its forced disengagement to change lanes. Nobody else does it that way.
If this worked, it means everything is fine with your EU car, you just didn't put enough weight with your hand, when keeping one hand on the wheel.However, I end up solving it .... by counterweight!
Hmm... Over on that 69.xx FSD-b thread, over the past twelve months or so we have had posters (some of whom might even be of the trollish persuasion: That is, not actually owning a Tesla, but making like they do, in the interests of Yuks) who said that they were using various defeat devices to fool the car that Hands Were On The Wheel. A varying number of these types also claimed that sunglasses worked a treat on defeating the in-cabin camera. They got a fairly hot reception from what I presume to be regulars, along the lines of, "You have these safety features on an unreliable FSD-b and you defeated them?" Notably, the reaction from those types when called on this behavior was the "smilley" icon.. which probably means that they were trolls.Thanks everyone for an answer!
Now as per your description, I'm thinking that it's EU cars issue. I've been to testla on testdrive to try out another Model Y - absolutely the same thing.
> Now I just hang my left hand at the bottom of the wheel and I can drive without any nagging for as long as I need to.
> Keeping hands on the steering wheel and continuously applying light force becomes tiring after a while.
> is not looking for holding, it is looking for rotational pressure.
That's exactly what I do, i.e. I'm resting my hand on steering wheel, applying downward pressure. I've driven like that 75,000km (~40,000 miles) in toyotas corolla and then Rav4 with no issues whatsoever.
Moreover - it looks like it flashes blue light more often than people here suggests - each 15-30 seconds. I need not only rest my hand but make noticeable steering input.
>1. To keep autopilot active, you can also rotate the audio volume wheel or the cruise control speed wheel on the steering wheel.
That also didn't work for me - I was banned multiple times while adjusting speed or volume so didn't notice blue flashing.
> I’d recommend just keeping your Rav 4
That's not an option either - we have a baby and we just don't fit in the car for long travel. Besides, we often drive on curvy non highway roads where Rav4 doesn't handle well. Highlander (it has updated assists systems) actually handled exceptionally well, but - 2 years waiting time or cost of used more than TMY.
I actually was so disappointed that Autopilot is effectively useless that I was going to let my reservation payment go and just buy another car (likely ICE, probably used Highlander). EAP actually was even worse - I was testing auto lane change, changing lane is taking about 7 seconds and if it flashes blue light (even once) during the change - it won't change lane showing timeout. With light flashing each 15-30 seconds it was like 40% of auto lane change will just fail.
However, I end up solving it .... by counterweight!
And I can say it just changed car completely! Finally, I can focus on situation on road, reading and anticipating another drivers and NOT constantly looking down for blue light or jiggling a wheel in a way that satisfies a car and again looking down to ensure it worked. And I end up arriving to the destination significantly more rested as well.
Moreover - my reaction time on autopilot failures improved dramatically - before when I was busy watching not to get ban - I discover that tesla doing something silly a bit too late so I have to jerk wheel noticeably what made my wife to complain, now, with my eyes on road I'm reacting in milliseconds so the drive is smooth and my wife notice nothing. Also I react on phantom braking significantly faster due to the same reason.
The counterweight immediately solved first issue I've described - on roads with lots of turns etc. (just to keep everyone calm - my eyes are on the road and my hands are CONSTANTLY on a wheel, or at least touching a wheel as when I rest a hand I do it in an opposite direction so counter weight doesn't work, but still, I'm ready to get control instantly, much faster than without counterweight and did already a lot of time)
However it was keep blocking me for defeat device on a highway (rightfully so in this case) - this took me about a day to overcome by testing all possible ways. I won't tell how I've done that as I don't want tesla to block it completely (and ensure I won't encourage people sleeping in a driving car) - but it's possible.
I have now completely different impressions of a car, like it was broken and now repaired, and I'm proceeding with purchase now! Hopefully will get my own within next few weeks!
Re: phantom braking and silly behaviour - I'm totally fine with that, I'm using assists for years in other cars and neither is perfect, but if you understand how they work there is a clear pattern where they excel (usually 80-99% of the trip) and where you just need to hold a wheel and be just constantly ready to take control - still, those 80-99% are completely worth it!
Best to consider whether you want the car without adding any value to the equation from the driving assist features/autopilot. No matter what the fanboys on here tell you, the driver assist features on Teslas are trash.Hello,
I'm considering buying Tesla Model Y and rented one for a week. It's a new model - end of 2022, EU, with interior camera.
I'm having a problem with autopilot - it just doesn't work long enough and constantly ending with message like "Autopilot has been disabled for the rest of the trip"
I'm keeping my hands on steering wheel all the time, I'm not wearing hat, doesn't have sunglasses
It shutting down autopilot with 2 circumstances from what I've noticed:
1) By flashing blue light and then beeping it seems once and then just it - autopilot is disabled. It happened in following circumstances:
- I'm driving some difficult curve, watching traffic and/or holding steering wheel so ready to intervene within milliseconds - then I don't have time to look at display and can legitimately miss blue flashing and when it starts to beep I may not be able immediately to jiggle strong enough (like I'm mid turn) so it'll notice it .
- I'm driving on the road where autopilot makes minor correction left and right, blue light is flashing, I'm jiggling the wheel but it looks like I'm doing it into the same direction as autopilot correction so it doesn't notice that, eventually it sees my intervention but too late - I'm blocked.
Often it's combination of both.
2) Different scenario - I'm driving on straight highway for about 15-20 minutes where nothing much happened - driving straight with stable speed, then out of the blue it just start screaming and flashing red that I need to immediately hold steering wheel (I'm holding it all the time so had to jiggle it strongly).
Just to clarify - I'm holding steering wheel all the time, looking straight to the road (mostly, had to look downwards a lot to see if it's flashing blue), not using my phone, not wearing sunglasses etc.
I'm actually quite disappointed in autopilot - it works really great but had to get a stop each 15-30 minutes to restart it, while my current vehicle - 2020 Toyota Rav 4 seems far superior - can drive on a highway for hours with me just resting a hand on a steering wheel, I barely got any requirements to jiggle. However it doesn't handle windy road that well as tesla (but at the other hand no need to restart)
Wondering, if it's rental car I have is defective?
Or is it just how autopilot works, and if so - how do you manage it, i.e. do you just drive without autopilot or keep stopping and restarting a whole car each 15-30 minutes?
I doubt it - the counter weight weights about 500 gram (1 lb) - that's quite significant downforce to apply and it's tiringIf this worked, it means everything is fine with your EU car, you just didn't put enough weight with your hand, when keeping one hand on the wheel.
It may be EU version. People mentioned here 90 seconds without blue light not touching the wheel. For me it's about 10-15 seconds without touching steering wheel, when having hands on wheel and often doing some minor adjustments - I'm getting nagged about each 20-60 seconds.neither of us seem to have problems with the attention detectors. Like you are.
Something doesn't fit.
I actually completely agree WAY behind many brands, at least the versions I had (in EU, rental and test drive at the dealership), even recent Toyotas has system that behave better in most circumstances. Agreed that sometimes tesla can handle the turn that probably no other car maker can, BUT it's so risky that you anyway keep hands on steering wheel to be able to take control any time - arguably you don't need autopilot there.No matter what the fanboys on here tell you, the driver assist features on Teslas are trash.
Lots of downvotes of course. I should rephrase. In a vacuum, and compared to having no adaptive or basic cruise control, it has maybe some value.Best to consider whether you want the car without adding any value to the equation from the driving assist features/autopilot. No matter what the fanboys on here tell you, the driver assist features on Teslas are trash.
The nanny comment is interesting to me. I have never driven a recent Subaru.@Handsome Jack one thing to consider is if the FW is actually up to date...
I'm sure there are differences between the US and EU FW code.
I've had lots of stupid things with the Model Y and some revisions of the firmware. I don't consider Tesla to be really far behind the competition in driver assist features, but they are certainly a different take on how to do it.
We also have a Subaru Ascent SUV, and I call it the Nanny car. The damn thing is obnoxious in it's need to give you crap and warning signals... none of which can be permanently disabled. Effectively, Subaru is forcing you to use their driver assist technologies, and are ass-hats about how they are doing it. Nice vehicle, but a dictatorship of driver assist technologies.