JohnSnowNW
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The deals aren't quite as good here...but WAY better than leasing an LT Volt for $3k down, $400/month, and 10k miles/39 months.
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Chevy Bolt - 200 mile range for $30k base price (after incentive)
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The deals aren't quite as good here...but WAY better than leasing an LT Volt for $3k down, $400/month, and 10k miles/39 months.
Except many of the incentives are not nationwide. When GM offers $3,000 off in select states only (which by strange coincidence are the CARB-ZEV states) you have to say that compliance is a big part of their strategy.
From insideevs monthly deal article:
The extra cash, as well as the features lease, are available in California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont.
brucet999
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That I do not know. 2016 Leafs get $4000 + 0% financing, then $10,000 in government assistance. Plus whatever the dealer will negotiate. So the highest effective MSRP on a cash sale is $15,xxx USD in California. Hard to find a new car with an automatic for that price.
glhs272
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So GM thinks they will have a fully autonomous driving car by next year?
GM, Lyft to Test Self-Driving Electric Taxis
Fully autonomous Lyft taxis tooling around picking people up in less than a year? Or is this just hot air?
GM, Lyft to Test Self-Driving Electric Taxis
Fully autonomous Lyft taxis tooling around picking people up in less than a year? Or is this just hot air?
GM recently bought Cruise Automation. Here is an article that describes what they were doing in 2014:
"Google doesn't always win": Cruise Automation wants to speed up the self-driving car revolution
"Google doesn't always win": Cruise Automation wants to speed up the self-driving car revolution
They are ready to start testing it, but the cars will all have drivers ready to take over, just like the Google test cars.
diamond.g
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Apparently some folks seem to think GM is going to sell between 30k and 80k of the Bolts in the first year. Autoblog Post about it here. Not sure where the batteries are coming from though, I was under the impression that LG was only going to produce between 30k and 50k of the batteries for the vehicle.
There is no 30-50k "limit" on batteries at the LG plant, that's just the numbers they are planning to ramp for. GM has stated they could increase production if demands merit it. Chevy Bolt Not Limited To 30,000 Sales A Year
However, 80k Bolts is a lot based on their terrible marketing of their prior EVs.
JohnSnowNW
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The comment does appear to state the limit at 50k vehicles. If they were trying to say that they weren't really limited...they'd have used a much larger number to describe the amount they could ramp to.
However, I don't personally believe that they could ramp up to 50k, and I think the comment was simply a deflection from the fact that they have no intention of producing more than 30k vehicles/yr. Not that I believe they're lying, neccessarily, if the stars and planets align maybe they could produce 50k/yr...but I don't think it's particularly realistic.
I would love to be proven incorrect, however. Some people believe the Bolt will be incredibly popular (I'm not one of them), and if true I welcome GMs ability to ramp to 50k.
I've never seen anyone claim that the Bolt will be incredibly popular. Like many people I expect the Bolt to be a solid car. But the lack of a fast charging network, and the cars utilitarian style, will probably limit sales.
I expect Nissan, Audi and Mercedes to finally provide real competition.
The Ford Model E sounds like a dud, unless they are playing rope-a-dope with their "Prius Killer" comment.
I expect Nissan, Audi and Mercedes to finally provide real competition.
The Ford Model E sounds like a dud, unless they are playing rope-a-dope with their "Prius Killer" comment.
stopcrazypp
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We already discussed this "80k" max number projected by the KBB analyst in detail here:
Chevy Bolt - 200 mile range for $30k base price (after incentive)
Basically it is just the analyst hedging the max range he predicts. He's not going to be held accountable for being wrong anyways, but by putting a large range like that it increases the chance of him getting it right (not that it is very meaningful in the first place when doing such a general prediction with such a large range).
diamond.g
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Poop. Of course the autoblog article is late. My bad. Somehow I glossed over it in reading the thread.
JohnSnowNW
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For the majority of American's, irrationality would be the only reason to choose the Bolt over the Volt. The Volt is more practical in every measurable way.
Well, there are those of us who already have a Volt, Prius, or other gasser who want a second car for commuting and regional driving.... There are lots of us. With coming CCS cars from Audi, Porsche, VW, Mercedes, etc. there should also be a growing interstate CCS network over the life of a new Bolt EV.
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I don't think I agree with that. Cargo capacity will be much greater in the Bolt and the Bolt should accelerate significantly faster than the Volt (with electric cars larger batteries always mean better performance as well as better range, and GM confirms it in this case). Not every car is going to be taken on road trips, and the number of times I ever drive my Model S more than 200 miles is very very rarely (the number of times I drive it more than 50 miles is every single day).
ChadS
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I like the Volt, but it is not better than the Bolt in EVERY way. The Bolt is taller, so it should be easier for people with limited mobility to get in and out. The Bolt's hatchback area is bigger. The Bolt will require less maintenance and have lower fuel costs.
And the Bolt has more AER, which for many people is the whole point of shopping in this segment. As JeffN pointed out, it's not necessarily their only car. So I see plenty of reasons rational people might choose the Bolt over the Volt.
And the Bolt has more AER, which for many people is the whole point of shopping in this segment. As JeffN pointed out, it's not necessarily their only car. So I see plenty of reasons rational people might choose the Bolt over the Volt.
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