Coronavirus

[SageBrush]

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/UnderstandingDifference3-508.pdf

Surgical masks:
Does NOT provide the wearer
with a reliable level of protection
from inhaling smaller airborne
particles and is not considered
respiratory protection

Define "reliable,"
and
Understand the difference between droplet and airborne.

You can also go back in this thread and read the links I provided from medical studies that showed surgical mask efficacy in reducing spread during other respiratory droplet infections.

Let me put this in manner a layperson should be able to understand:
Given a choice of social distancing of 3 or 6 feet, which do you choose ?
Is either distance "reliable" ?

 

[Daniel in SD]

Raise your hand if you have NOT been to the supermarket in the last 10 days? Are you going this weekend?

I haven't. Getting meal kit delivery and Whole Foods delivery.
If we can all count on our fingers all the people we came near for two weeks then it seems like it should work. I'm not all that hopeful but there is no other choice.

 

[SageBrush]

I'm not all that hopeful but there is no other choice.

Sure there is, and it is vastly better:

MASK

 

[Daniel in SD]

Sure there is, and it is vastly better:

MASK

I agree that would make it much easier!
It takes a lot of extremely careful people to offset a few reckless ones.
If I do go into a store I'll wear my P100.

 

[lascavarian]

i disagree. They already test the blood for infectious diseases, so adding one more shouldn't be an issue. the only difference is timing. It normally takes a few days for them to screen the blood, so don't expect results anytime soon.

I understand your thinking. My point is different.

blood banks do not want to have donors show up that are in effect using blood donation as a way of testing for disease. They are very careful about this in my experience. If a donor has any suspicion that they may be ill they will usually be waived off.

There have been some tragedies in the blood banking efforts in the past. It may be that the blood bankers like EM’s suggestion but I doubt it. It seems like a good idea at first blush but ...

 

[Webeevdrivers]

From what I read the presidents approoval rating continues to grow. My guess is it will be north of 60 percent by election time. Even those who didn’t vote for him are piling on now. I don’t think it’ll be the much of a battle.

Who Are the Voters Behind Trump’s Higher Approval Rating?

 

[dhanson865]

Or a testing rate somewhere between Spain and Germany...

that's not a 3rd option, low testing rate is a cause for one of the two options I mentioned.

France still has a either an abnormally high death rate or an abnormally low infected rate.

Note: I mean as displayed in the table, not in number of people that are actually infected.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/upload_2020-3-31_22-44-54-png.528159/

The fact that they remain anomalous in that table should earn them a mark with footnote or a different color row to highlight how bad those numbers are compared to reality or compared to other countries (either way via insufficient testing or high death rate).

 

[ReddyLeaf]

Yes indeed, and different people will have varying amounts of zinc in their system based on their diet. Supplementing with zinc removes that variable. Here's a chart (from Office of Dietary Supplements - Zinc) that shows typical dietary sources of zinc. What it looks like is that if you eat meat or dairy, you'll have a reasonable amount of zinc in your body.

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Thanks for this information. However, remember that zinc is literally everywhere, but that doesn’t necessarily correlate with cellular concentration. Every galvanized heating duct spews more zinc than your body can realistically incorporate. First, zinc needs to be chelated to be incorporated into your body, then it needs to be passed into the cells using an iodophor transport mechanism. Adding more zinc “may” help, but it’s not the only thing.

 

[TheTalkingMule]

I haven't. Getting meal kit delivery and Whole Foods delivery.
If we can all count on our fingers all the people we came near for two weeks then it seems like it should work. I'm not all that hopeful but there is no other choice.

Lol....how do you think all that Whole Foods stuff got in the bags? Someone that's been roving around a supermarket 8 hours a day for this entire pandemic touched every single item, and then you brought them into your house. That's like sharing a beer at a bar with an ER nurse.

Going to Whole Foods would probably be better.

 

[Daniel in SD]

that's not a 3rd option, low testing rate is a cause for one of the two options I mentioned.

France still has a either an abnormally high death rate or an abnormally low infected rate.

Note: I mean as displayed in the table, not in number of people that are actually infected.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/upload_2020-3-31_22-44-54-png.528159/

The fact that they remain anomalous in that table should earn them a mark with footnote or a different color row to highlight how bad those numbers are compared to reality or compared to other countries (either way via insufficient testing or high death rate).

I'm still not understanding.
France has almost exactly double the deaths and double the number of cases as the UK? Is the UK also abnormal?
Everything is a function of the true number of cases, testing and the severity of the outbreak in that country. All three are different for different countries.

 

[DanCar]

It is only a matter of weeks before we are seeing Italy in the rear view mirror.

Deaths:
Italy: 852
U.S. : 901
BNO Newsroom on Twitter
Only took 13 days.

 

[SageBrush]

From what I read the presidents approoval rating continues to grow. My guess is it will be north of 60 percent by election time. Even those who didn’t vote for him are piling on now. I don’t think it’ll be the much of a battle.

Who Are the Voters Behind Trump’s Higher Approval Rating?

Wait till people are dying like flies. Then we will see if they remember who told them that Covid-19 is a hoax

 

[Daniel in SD]

Lol....how do you think all that Whole Foods stuff got in the bags? Someone that's been roving around a supermarket 8 hours a day for this entire pandemic touched every single item, and then you brought them into your house. That's like sharing a beer at a bar with an ER nurse.

Going to Whole Foods would probably be better.

That's not what scientists say. I think I'll trust them over you. No offense.
If it's going to spread through our food system we're all going to get it anyway.

 

[dw4ngg]

Wait till people are dying like flies. Then we will see if they remember who told them that Covid-19 is a hoax

If there’s one thing anyone can learn from Trump’s presidency, it’s that people have a short memory and are inclined to forgive and move fwd. America loves second chances and a good comeback story is just what the doctor ordered.

 

[TheTalkingMule]

Wait till people are dying like flies. Then we will see if they remember who told them that Covid-19 is a hoax

We had weeks of 1000 deaths a day in the 2018 flu season, no one blinked. I didn't even know 2018 was a big flu season til this mess hit us.

 

[bkp_duke]

We had weeks of 1000 deaths a day in the 2018 flu season, no one blinked. I didn't even know 2018 was a big flu season til this mess hit us.

But we didn't have weeks of 10,000 deaths per day. Those are coming. I would bet a steak dinner on it.

 

[SageBrush]

If there’s one thing anyone can learn from Trump’s presidency, it’s that people have a short memory

I don't think that is an accurate portrayal. I would say we have learned (if it was not apparent) that people only care about themselves and their immediate circle. This time trump will be personal

 

[Oil4AsphaultOnly]

This helmet type ventilation device seems to be made in the US in modest quantities and costs less than $500. They are scaling up. Just info...

Helmet-based ventilation eases respiratory distress

That report was from 4 years ago. What's taken them so long if the results were so good?

 

[ReddyLeaf]

In fairness, I can't remember any US President in modern times dealing with a simultaneous disaster in all 50 states either. Not a lot of precedent for this situation.

Modern times? WWI, WWII, Civil War, 1918 Flu Epidemic, Fall of the Roman Empire? Sorry, modern times includes more than just the past two months?

 

[TheTalkingMule]

But we didn't have weeks of 10,000 deaths per day. Those are coming. I would bet a steak dinner on it.

No they are not.