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Coronavirus
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The problem with looking at country data to try to back out efficacy of a treatment regimen is that there are far too many confounding factors to draw a conclusion. The way to answer the question you’re asking is by testing, not by collecting observational cluttered data.
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NYC contingency plan in case they run out of space in freezer trucks:
NYC contingency plan in case they run out of space in freezer trucks:
This is definitely just a normal flu season....
Not even close. They aren't using the most expensive parts of the car: battery pack, motors, inverters, etc.
The main parts they seem to be using are:
- Model 3 touchscreen
- Model 3 Infotainment computer (not the FSD computer)
- Model 3 Left Vehicle Controller/ECU
- Model 3 Right Vehicle Controller/ECU (for redundency)
- Model S&X Air suspension tank
- Heater
Daniel in SD
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In two weeks we'll probably have results from the NYC study. Hopefully it will show that HCQ works.
In the meantime there's really nothing to argue about.
MXLRplus
Active Member
Here's the news story without the infomercial content:
Coronavirus latest news: Boris Johnson in intensive care after symptoms worsen
They are using a few Model 3 parts, some labour, and some programming. No way will it cost as much as a Model 3 (unless they only make less than ten or some such). But even if it does, the goodwill gained will sell far more Tesla products than doing nothing unless forced to. My opinion is that short term thinking (what can I get for this right now) is not the Tesla way. Investors focusing on any quarter's performance (like almost every Wall Street Analyst) is a good way to lose money.
I see you're in the camp of let's not use the treatment until careful studies with control groups come out. In normal situations, this is a very reasonable position to take. Fauci is in the group, and he's a very reasonable man. As the severity of the COVID-19 crisis increases, however, the risk vs. benefit equation changes. That's why in countries such as France, Italy, and Spain, the decision-makers in the health areas of government have opted to go ahead and give a thumbs up to the use of the drug before these controlled studies are released.
The question in the United States is whether we've reached a point where widespread use of HCQ is warranted before those careful studies come out. The federal government has decided to make the drug readily available and leave the decision up to the patient and doctor. I think that's a reasonable position to take, and I'm in that camp.
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
Are they factoring post-pandemic residual value in the collectors market? Joking, but not really. I think you could get a pretty penny for used Tesla ventilators 9 months from now.
If NYC starts declining and there's no glaring need elsewhere in the US, I could see this effort fizzling before production begins. Philadelphia hospitals don't seem too concerned they'll run out of vent capacity. As far as I can tell all the anesthesia vents are still sitting in operating rooms unused.
As with everything, a LOT depends on what happens this week.
Here is the latest IHME projection for California fatalities in graphical form. If this turns out to be accurate, it seems fairly likely that Fremont could be able to open by early May (mid-May at the latest).
As others have mentioned, the supply chain seems likely to be the limiting factor. The US as a whole lags CA by a couple weeks, but with large error bars. Unless it can make other arrangements, Tesla will be constrained by its slowest suppliers to reopen.
IHME | COVID-19 Projections
As others have mentioned, the supply chain seems likely to be the limiting factor. The US as a whole lags CA by a couple weeks, but with large error bars. Unless it can make other arrangements, Tesla will be constrained by its slowest suppliers to reopen.
IHME | COVID-19 Projections
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jhm
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Long term, I agree. But short term it is very expensive on a per unit basis to ramp up production of a new product. This, of course, is one reason why they are trying to repurpose parts they can produce or have an existing supplier for.
Whatever the precise cost of the first 1000 units may be, my question is still where can Tesla get some reimbursement.
Now, longer term may make sense if Tesla actually generates revenue on this. So researchers suggest that Covid19 may continue to roll around the globe for 36 months. Also governments are learning that they need to stockpile more too. So the ventilator market may be strong for several years.
I wasn’t surprised unfortunately to see this development. I wonder how his pregnant fiance is (or was it girlfriend?). I thought she also was reported as having symptoms.
BTW the Telegraph site linked in your post pops up with a huge Accept Cookies window on my phone so aggravating as well. Didn’t want to accept so if there’s info beyond what’s discussed please share.
StealthP3D
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That seems unnecessarily speculative. Do you have some evidence that it would be beneficial? Hyperbaric oxygen treatment does not pressurize the lungs above the ambient pressure which is why ventilators are used for infections of the lungs that require positive pressure.
But at maximum only 20% of those who get it end up as hospital cases. There are quite a few who would be in the hospital in less critical times who are turned away (I know someone who faced this, he did survive, but it was touch and go for a few days). We also don't have a solid handle on how many asymptomatic cases there are. The South Korean data is the best we have and they found about an 80/20 split in mild/serious cases.
Because hospitals under extreme stress are turning away some serious cases that aren't serious enough, the percentage that are actually ending up in the hospital is probably closer to 10% or less. 1/4 of those needing to be on a ventilator would be 2.5%, which is close to the study I cited.
Drugs can do things we don't expect sometimes, but more often then not when someone makes a case that a drug can be used off label to deal with something that isn't obvious, further tests usually show it was a pipe dream.
I have always been in your camp with HCQ. I've been skeptical it was going to work. I've been wondering if it's getting touted so much because someone is making money on the deal.
Not good.
Every indication I can see shows the South and Appalachia are about to explode with cases. People there are not following any kind of recommendation for social distancing. I have a friend who is a truck driver for Walmart based out of Georgia. He's trying to social distance and do all the right things because while he's not seriously at risk for a bad case, it would probably kill his mother who lives part time at his house. But everywhere he goes people are slapping him on the back and not keeping their distance. He said it's like people are trying to touch others more in defiance of the recommendations.
I think it's Augusta, Georgia that is already seeing a massive outbreak. Per capita it's almost as bad as New York city.
jhm
Well-Known Member
Gov. Newsome just spoke and said if their projections hold true they expected to push off peak until May. If Peak is in May then I’m not seeing the factory up and running by then.
Doggydogworld
Active Member
Several groups are building open source phone apps for contact tracing. Unlike the apps China and other Asian countries use, these attempt to preserve anonymity. I think it's almost certain we'll go this way. I'd love to see a few unlocked states testing these apps. Basic concept illustration from this paper:
MXLRplus
Active Member
IIRC, that's a Euro requirement. Expect it to soon come to the US.
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