Elon Musk: Departing presidential councils

[kort677]

Proof of climate change, or proof that Trump rolling back emissions standards, gutting the EPA, and removing climate change terminology from every .gov website will somehow miraculously allow the US to be in a better position to fight climate change?

You're simply a climate change denier that is putting wealth above the health of the planet and its population. The exact same reasoning that got us into this mess.

Anyway, I understand your position that climate change isn't real, therefore anything related to combating it is automatically unacceptable. I'm not going to get sucked into an endless debate that would be no different than you taking a position that the earth is flat.

no I am pragmatic, I see the flaws in this agreement and the flaws in the whole issue of global warming.
the leftists are using the environment as a wedge to subvert the western democracies. the green movement was long ago subverted by the leftists with a political agenda.
the earth has been evolving and changes in the climate is ongoing and it is most arrogant that the environmentalists think that they can short circuit this constant and continuing evolution.

 

[oktane]

People really think it's a good deal for us to send hundreds of US taxpayer money millions to India to fund clean energy while we crippled ourselves at home? And receive nothing in return other than a 0.3F decrease in temperature in 100 years?

Yes, clean coal is a bad idea. I much prefer nuclear.

For the record, Trump is smarter and a better business man than EM. He will renegotiate the deal to something that helps the environment without wasting American money. Liberals who disagree please send a check to India and China to fund clean energy over there. Might I suggest 5% of your net worth.

Elon's move was shortsighted and I wish he had stayed at the table. Celebrities and elites need to think before they act and keep emotion in check.

 

[JRP3]

In his final year in office, President Obama contributed $500 million from the State Department to this fund on two separate occasions.

So a little more than $3 per US citizen to help mitigate climate change. The horror...

 

[kort677]

People really think it's a good deal for us to send hundreds of US taxpayer money millions to India to fund clean energy while we crippled ourselves at home? And receive nothing in return other than a 0.3F decrease in temperature in 100 years?

Yes, clean coal is a bad idea. I much prefer nuclear.

For the record, Trump is smarter and a better business man than EM. He will renegotiate the deal to something that helps the environment without wasting American money. Liberals who disagree please send a check to India and China to fund clean energy over there. Might I suggest 5% of your net worth.

Elon's move was shortsighted and I wish he had stayed at the table. Celebrities and elites need to think before they act and keep emotion in check.

elon's move was a childlike tantrum, he has removed himself from the access to power and now he will be in a weaker position to offer his view of things.

 

[oktane]

So a little more than $3 per US citizen to help mitigate climate change. The horror...

The horror is no one agreed (through representation) to this tax, which is tantamount to stealing.

 

[ohmman]

For the record, Trump is smarter and a better business man than EM.

Your record has been updated.

Wrap it up, folks! The record shows that Trump is smarter than Musk.

 

[McRat]

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Three Reasons to Believe in China's Renewable Energy Boom

China is importing more oil than ever before in their history, I posted a link. They are using their military to expand Chinese oil production in the South China, another link.

China needs more energy. The UN/Paris accord is simply a way to make more energy available to them. But in the interim, they must produce power other ways which is renewables. It's not a green movement by intention.

 

[jelloslug]

actually dropping out has put us in a far stronger position to create a realistic approach to the alleged issue.

How so? Nobody wants to work with Trump and even if they did he has no plan to replace it. Trump thinks international politics works like hiring a drywall contractor for a gold plated casino.

 

[McRat]

How so? Nobody wants to work with Trump and even if they did he has no plan to replace it. Trump thinks international politics works like hiring a drywall contractor for a gold plated casino.

Al Gore thinks that Americans are gullible and naive, and can be convinced that the UN and China are willing to deal from the top of the deck to all countries. But at least he's just doing it out of greed, not malice.

 

[JRP3]

The horror is no one agreed (through representation) to this tax, which is tantamount to stealing.

I don't agree to many of the taxes I'm forced to pay.

 

[teddytoons]

The bottom line is that most likely none of us had "Climate Change" at the top of our list to motivate us to tighten our belts one notch and buy a Tesla. We didn't lower our standard of living and yet, we have something that's revolutionary in terms of protecting our own environment. Elon needs to regroup and work with Trump on an equally attractive way to get what he wants.

 

[hpartsch]

Please read, straight from the accord
"A Party may at any time adjust its existing nationally determined contribution with a view to enhancing its level of ambition, in accordance with guidance adopted by the Conference of the Parties serving as the meeting of the Parties to this Agreement."


Strategies and approaches for scaling up long-term finance from USA
http://unfccc.int/files/documentati...ties/application/pdf/cop_suf_usa_07102013.pdf

Apparently gender has a lot to do with climate change too?!
http://unfccc.int/files/documentati...s/application/pdf/cop_gender_usa_09092013.pdf

The actual accord:
http://unfccc.int/files/meetings/paris_nov_2015/application/pdf/paris_agreement_english_.pdf

 

[tomas]

People really think it's a good deal for us to send hundreds of US taxpayer money millions to India to fund clean energy while we crippled ourselves at home? And receive nothing in return other than a 0.3F decrease in temperature in 100 years?

Yes, clean coal is a bad idea. I much prefer nuclear.

For the record, Trump is smarter and a better business man than EM. He will renegotiate the deal to something that helps the environment without wasting American money. Liberals who disagree please send a check to India and China to fund clean energy over there. Might I suggest 5% of your net worth.

Elon's move was shortsighted and I wish he had stayed at the table. Celebrities and elites need to think before they act and keep emotion in check.

You sound pretty emotional. I think Elon's decision was pretty calm.

 

[jbcarioca]

respectfully you don't seem to grasp the one sided economic requirements of that agreement

One needs t read the agreement to understand just how incorrect your statements are. Japan has put up more money than has the US. Several countries far exceed the US per capita. Please check the facts before ranting against something. A well-informed populace is the best guard against despotism. However, the populace must be well-informed. That is a problem that is hard to solve when people insist the US pays the most and gets nothing, while insisting that economic growth will slow, when renewable energy is already cheaper than building gas-fired speaker plants, for example. Check actual quotations per kilowatt hour for speaker plants fired by natural gas and those that use storage batteries plus photovoltaic or just the storage batteries. Then check the per kilowatt hour quotes for large wind installations vs natural gas, nuclear or even coal. If you do that you'll see that the transition to renewables is now viable on purely economic grounds, without subsidy.

All that, if you actually do the research will be further problematical because it will negate the massive subsidies now given for fossil fuels, Just in case that is hard to understand check oil and gas depletion allowances, subvented leases on Federal lands for oil and gas transmission facilities. Those will help, for starters.

In most rational political discussions people can deal with facts. These issues are neither right nor left, although many people today are trying to make them so. Anything that joins ExxonMobil, Rex Tillerson, Texaco, Mars and The Sierra Club, Microsoft, and Jerry Brown can hardly be described as a partisan matter. Oops, I forgot, this requires science, at least high school level biology, chemistry or physics. Any one of them should be more than adequate to understand the facts.



“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”

― Daniel Patrick Moynihan

 

[hpartsch]

One needs t read the agreement to understand just how incorrect your statements are. Japan has put up more money than has the US. Several countries far exceed the US per capita. Please check the facts before ranting against something. A well-informed populace is the best guard against despotism. However, the populace must be well-informed. That is a problem that is hard to solve when people insist the US pays the most and gets nothing, while insisting that economic growth will slow, when renewable energy is already cheaper than building gas-fired speaker plants, for example. Check actual quotations per kilowatt hour for speaker plants fired by natural gas and those that use storage batteries plus photovoltaic or just the storage batteries. Then check the per kilowatt hour quotes for large wind installations vs natural gas, nuclear or even coal. If you do that you'll see that the transition to renewables is now viable on purely economic grounds, without subsidy.

All that, if you actually do the research will be further problematical because it will negate the massive subsidies now given for fossil fuels, Just in case that is hard to understand check oil and gas depletion allowances, subvented leases on Federal lands for oil and gas transmission facilities. Those will help, for starters.

In most rational political discussions people can deal with facts. These issues are neither right nor left, although many people today are trying to make them so. Anything that joins ExxonMobil, Rex Tillerson, Texaco, Mars and The Sierra Club, Microsoft, and Jerry Brown can hardly be described as a partisan matter. Oops, I forgot, this requires science, at least high school level biology, chemistry or physics. Any one of them should be more than adequate to understand the facts.



“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”

― Daniel Patrick Moynihan

There has to be some reason to why all of our contributed money was given on the last day Obama was in office? I'm sure had he won, we would have contributed much more. So the argument of Japan contributing more is not very strong. What was the total expectations from the US and Japan -- that would be more meaningful data. I'm pretty sure the US was expected to contribute much more than Japan. However, I can't seem to find our expected contributions in comparison to every other country quite as easily. Surprise!

 

[Lloyd]

The horror is no one agreed (through representation) to this tax, which is tantamount to stealing.

Agreed, the proper way to have made this permanent should have been by the Obama Administration to have this ratified as a proper treaty. Without ratification, it is just a piece of paper without agreement of our government or people.

 

[oktane]

I don't agree to many of the taxes I'm forced to pay.

Perhaps, but your duly represented legislature agreed on your behalf. The Paris deal was decided by Obama, without consulting his constituents. Trump simply undoes Obama's undemocratic action.

 

[kort677]

How so? Nobody wants to work with Trump and even if they did he has no plan to replace it. Trump thinks international politics works like hiring a drywall contractor for a gold plated casino.

nobody wants to work with trump? really? are you really this easily manipulated?

 

[kort677]

Perhaps, but your duly represented legislature agreed on your behalf. The Paris deal was decided by Obama, without consulting his constituents. Trump simply undoes Obama's undemocratic action.

not an undemocratic action, an ILLEGAL action.
Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, includes the Treaty Clause, which empowers the president of the United States to propose and chiefly negotiate agreements, which must be confirmed by the Senate, between the United States and other countries, which become treaties between the United States and other countries after the advice and consent of a supermajority of the United States Senate.

for the ideologically handicapped this means that obama nor any other president has no right under the law to enter into any sort of international agreement without the consent of the US Senate.

 

[kort677]

You sound pretty emotional. I think Elon's decision was pretty calm.

calm maybe but more akin to a child who didn't get is way temper tantrum. oh well now he has given up his seat in the circle of power.