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Elon Musk: Departing presidential councils
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So, if you are hearing the "Paris Climate Agreement and confused about what it is let me see if I can help you out. Its a plan that Obama initiated to reduce the Global Warming effect caused by human activity by 2030. . The Paris agreement created this United Nations climate slush fund, largely underwritten by American taxpayers. In his final year in office, President Obama contributed $500 million from the State Department to this fund on two separate occasions. He did it without authorization from Congress.)...This is TEXTBOOK Redistribution of wealth. We know the Globalists want to destroy America and make it just one of many countries, no stronger or richer than anyone else.
Climate Change, means the Government can put 100s of 1000s of pages of regulations on energy production and consumption. (they can charge a ridiculous Tax from you and send the money out of the US to other countries redistributing your money to the UN to distribute to whom they choose. They lie and get you feeling responsible, then tax the hell out of you. They create subsidies for the poor, and charge the middle class 4 times what they pay now...in the name of "Sacrifice for the greater good" Sounds like your "You can keep your doctor speech, right?"
Karl Marx said to create true socialism you must use political correctness and guilt to control health care and energy. If you can control them you can destroy capitalism and replace with socialism.
That is what this is all about, Obama care and Climate change, destroying the middle class and creating a subservient populism under government control. Obama made (without congress) that all cars will have to be mandatory 54.5 mpg by 2025, it is also estimated it will cost 6.5 trillion in economic growth which will destroy jobs. Mind you, that this Paris agreement puts 0 restrictions on China and India (2 largest in pollution) and Russia is allowed to increase their emissions by 50%.
So, lets see... we back out and save billions of dollars. Other Countries (not all) are still funding this operation but its only the "AMERICAN DOLLAR" that will stop Climate Change??? Plus, George Soros and other elites have investments in many of the Solar companies... Look it up and think about it.
Climate Change, means the Government can put 100s of 1000s of pages of regulations on energy production and consumption. (they can charge a ridiculous Tax from you and send the money out of the US to other countries redistributing your money to the UN to distribute to whom they choose. They lie and get you feeling responsible, then tax the hell out of you. They create subsidies for the poor, and charge the middle class 4 times what they pay now...in the name of "Sacrifice for the greater good" Sounds like your "You can keep your doctor speech, right?"
Karl Marx said to create true socialism you must use political correctness and guilt to control health care and energy. If you can control them you can destroy capitalism and replace with socialism.
That is what this is all about, Obama care and Climate change, destroying the middle class and creating a subservient populism under government control. Obama made (without congress) that all cars will have to be mandatory 54.5 mpg by 2025, it is also estimated it will cost 6.5 trillion in economic growth which will destroy jobs. Mind you, that this Paris agreement puts 0 restrictions on China and India (2 largest in pollution) and Russia is allowed to increase their emissions by 50%.
So, lets see... we back out and save billions of dollars. Other Countries (not all) are still funding this operation but its only the "AMERICAN DOLLAR" that will stop Climate Change??? Plus, George Soros and other elites have investments in many of the Solar companies... Look it up and think about it.
jelloslug
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Respectfully, I disagree. The problem requires global cooperation. The accord achieves that, albeit with some distasteful features.
Even so, China was meant to be eligible for subsidies but is already far beyond it's goals and is not requesting sundisies now. Mr. Trump counted subsidies as if all the money would be used for 'other countries' and none would come from them. That is incorrect, since Japan pays more in absolute terms and lots of countries pay more per capita despite the US having emitted more pollutants than the rest of the world has, and now is the. second largest emitter, by far the highest one per capita. The deal only looks bad when viewed from a myopic lens of economic nationalism, which itself is already bearing fruit by inducing other nations to partner with China at the expense of the US.
Frankly, the only chance we have to preserve or competitive position globally is for business , states and cities to act independently of the Trump Administration to reach the targets.
McRat, this would be less damaging if the administration had ANY understanding of climate change facts and ANY intent to be proactive with renewables. But they do not. That magnifies the error.
respectfully you don't seem to grasp the one sided economic requirements of that agreement
cdub
OG 2011 Leaf / 2023 Model Y LR
Should a real estate blowhard bafoon be POTUS? No... these past 5 months have proven that he definitely shouldn't.
jelloslug
Active Member
Sometime things have need to be done are not the things that one wants to do or even what is fair. All dropping out of the accord has done has weakened the US position and removed any possibility of us being able to have any control over it.
is he any less qualified for the office than a leftist community organizer?
I never knew that the office had a list of experience that needed to be attained, the last time I checked being elected is the only criteria for holding office.
The #1 offender is China. They are burning more oil than ever. But for strategic reasons, they need to increase domestic production. UN/Paris should take pressure off non-Chinese companies to drill in the South China Sea, so China can produce more oil.
I'm guessing that's what you type when you fall asleep on your iphone (who was it that said he tweets during his 3am bowel movements), or else it's the nuclear launch codes and he got his touchpads confused?
cdub
OG 2011 Leaf / 2023 Model Y LR
It wouldn't really matter. Tax credit is going away soon anyways.
Misguided politics can't stop the EV and renewable revolution. It's already the most fun way to get around... soon it'll be affordable.
It might be seen that 1.3bn people should be using more energy than 300m.
Actually it's that the average Chinese uses 1/10th of an American energy resource, a Nigerian, a 1/100th.
it might also be that the American uses most in a wasteful way. Ie. SE Asian burns oil for cooking / heating. Western European burns it to drive in a 6 litre 10mpg truck with the drag coefficient of a brick wall rather than say a 100mpgE Tesla (bringing it back on thread)... or that the American can better afford to transition to renewable energy than a Chinese family burning wood because that's all there is for 100 miles. The Paris agreement presumably says both can do better. But Trump doesn't want to move the US from coal production to wind/solar, ask for fuel-efficiency standards on cars... i'm not seeing Mary Berry resigning from the council!!!
That China manufactures most of the Worlds products (we exported our industrial revolution to the 3rd World so they make the dirty stuff) - then we blame them for their pollution. Batteries, kids toys, most appliances, I'm sure they don't just grow on trees but need nasty petro-chemical processes.
But I believe Chinese electrical grid is cleaning itself pretty fast. They don't do stuff slowly. 5000miles of high speed rail in 10 years - done. They're the 10 largest solar cell manufacturers... they're also installing more than anyone, India is #2.
JohnSnowNW
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cdub
OG 2011 Leaf / 2023 Model Y LR
Hyperbole much?
Those of us on the left, such as Sanders, thought the agreement didn't go too far and wanted it to have more teeth this is true. But we also said that it was a step in the right direction. Something needs to be done.
Bernie in 2015:
Note that this is not him saying that we shouldn't support it. It's that we should push for more. By leaving the agreement we've effectively left the table.
Bernie now:
I don't see a change in tune at all.
This is old news. They are serious about renewables.
Three Reasons to Believe in China's Renewable Energy Boom
JohnSnowNW
Active Member
Proof of climate change, or proof that Trump rolling back emissions standards, gutting the EPA, and removing climate change terminology from every .gov website will somehow miraculously allow the US to be in a better position to fight climate change?
You're simply a climate change denier that is putting wealth above the health of the planet and its population. The exact same reasoning that got us into this mess.
Anyway, I understand your position that climate change isn't real, therefore anything related to combating it is automatically unacceptable. I'm not going to get sucked into an endless debate that would be no different than you taking a position that the earth is flat.
Chopr147
Active Member
Elon leaving the council for "principal" goes against all he has said in the past regarding "being at the table" Add the fact Tesla is joined at the hip with the GW movement. The more yelling from the roof-tops of a coming catastrophe, the more cars will be sold. This is coming from someone who loves Tesla. We had not heard many details of Obama's deal until now. Sure, little snippets here and there but why is that? The more I learn of this deal the less I like it. Calling Trump a moron ignores the fact he is an intelligent man. Brash, inappropriate at times? Yes. But no dummy. And I believe he has America's interests at heart. We have not seen that for at least 8 years!
Maybe i'll start a group: Tesla owners for Trump!
China will continue to get cleaner with or w/o the accord. They know pollution's a problem. I really don't ever see the Chinese worry too much about what the rest of the world thinks. If it's good for China, they'll do it.
Maybe i'll start a group: Tesla owners for Trump!
China will continue to get cleaner with or w/o the accord. They know pollution's a problem. I really don't ever see the Chinese worry too much about what the rest of the world thinks. If it's good for China, they'll do it.
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