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Wiki Everything you wanted to know about Intelligent Octopus But Were Afraid To Ask

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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Thanks - the monthly charge makes sense.

Last question for today.. with the energy cap changing at the end of next month, are the current rates likely to drop, are you locked in or are they already reflected, or I guess maybe nobody knows? I’m aware these types of tariffs aren’t obliged to follow the energy cap rate so they have more freedom than most as the average rate paid is almost certainly lower
In the past, the peak rate of IOG dropped but the cheap rate stayed the same.
I expect this is what will happen.
 
I get scheduled charging times from IOG but find that the car is often charged at other times, sometimes before 2330. Not a problem in terms of charges, but it can cause havoc with efforts to manage the charge levels in my home battery. If the car charges when discharging of the home battery is permitted the battery is rapidly empty. In the worst case it is empty in the morning when its capacity is needed to run the house for the day. Do others find that charging takes place outside the times given in the Octopus schedule?
 
I get scheduled charging times from IOG but find that the car is often charged at other times, sometimes before 2330. Not a problem in terms of charges, but it can cause havoc with efforts to manage the charge levels in my home battery. If the car charges when discharging of the home battery is permitted the battery is rapidly empty. In the worst case it is empty in the morning when its capacity is needed to run the house for the day. Do others find that charging takes place outside the times given in the Octopus schedule?
There's always a schedule, it's just that it can and does change frequently.

What home battery do you have? There are automation options that can get around the moving schedule issue.
 
Is there any way to retrospectively see the off peak schedule? Before the bill arrives at least?

I’m pretty sure the car put in an additional boost that was outside standard off peak hours and not mentioned in last nights charge schedule that was all within the off peak hours.

The car reach it’s 60% requested, but then “dropped” 1% (ie bms recalibrated) outside the original charge schedule. This was then topped back up, but outside the original schedule. Wanting to see if this top up was at peak or off-peak.

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Is there any way to retrospectively see the off peak schedule? Before the bill arrives at least?

I’m pretty sure the car put in an additional boost that was outside standard off peak hours and not mentioned in last nights charge schedule that was all within the off peak hours.

The car reach it’s 60% requested, but then “dropped” 1% (ie bms recalibrated) outside the original charge schedule. This was then topped back up, but outside the original schedule. Wanting to see if this top up was at peak or off-peak.
Do you have the Octo-Aid app? I'm fairly sure you can check in the app.
 
For anyone using Home Assistant and the Intelligent Octopus integration, the `Intelligent Dispatching` sensor state (attribute of the charger device connected to Octopus) is logged so that you can access its history and see at which times you were on an off peak rate.

Image shows that I received the cheap rate between 23:30-8:09am last Saturday/Sunday.

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For anyone using Home Assistant and the Intelligent Octopus integration, the `Intelligent Dispatching` sensor state (attribute of the charger device connected to Octopus) is logged so that you can access its history and see at which times you were on an off peak rate.

Image shows that I received the cheap rate between 23:30-8:09am last Saturday/Sunday.

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Is there anywhere that shows how this can be set up?
 
Is there anywhere that shows how this can be set up?
There's a few components to this, in order:

1. Home Assistant: Suggest searching youtube for how to install home assistant as there are various installation options available depending on the hardware you wish to use.
2. Home Assistant Community Store (HACS): Again, youtube will help here
3. Octopus Energy Integration: View `How to setup` from the repository.
 
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There's always a schedule, it's just that it can and does change frequently.

What home battery do you have? There are automation options that can get around the moving schedule issue.
I have a battery system with a LuxPower inverter. Any info on automatically integrating with IOG gratefully received. I don’t usually see any updates to the Octopus charging schedule after the first notification. Should I? So far I haven’t spotted any ‘out of off peak hours’ un-notified charging sessions that have been charged at peak rate which is, at least, something to be thankful for!
 
I have a battery system with a LuxPower inverter. Any info on automatically integrating with IOG gratefully received. I don’t usually see any updates to the Octopus charging schedule after the first notification. Should I? So far I haven’t spotted any ‘out of off peak hours’ un-notified charging sessions that have been charged at peak rate which is, at least, something to be thankful for!
You can refresh the app by doing the pulldown to see changes. They can happen all through the charging window but by 11/12 they are usually fairly well set.

Ah it's a shame, I don't know about LuxPower. This is a sensational bit of software but they aren't on the list Other Inverters - Predbat Documentation

But I think there's a Home Assistant integration for Luxpower somewhere on Github if you search, then you could do some current sensing CT clamps to control the discharge from the battery ESPHome CT Clamp Power and Energy Monitor
 
Anyone else’s Octopus app showing double billing and double charges? I’ve queried it on X and emailed them too.
That’s a bit concerning. Looks like they are having a few issues. They are normally very good at sorting these sort of issues out promptly.
Has anyone had a bill since the charging issues arose over the past week. In the past when their have been connectivity issues and the car hasn’t charged even though a schedule has been shown, it has billed at off peak.
Just wondering if that’s still the case?
 
They responded via X last night and I’m satisfied I’m not billed incorrectly. Normally I see a monthly bill but this one covers Apr & May. My balance remains correct and it’s an anomaly as to why it’s for twice my normal period.

Phew! 😮‍💨