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Wiki Everything you wanted to know about Intelligent Octopus But Were Afraid To Ask

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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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I've been following the thread and I don't think I've seen the answer to this (but apologies if mentioned)...

Reading the Octopus pages it seems Intelligent Octopus could be used alongside Outgoing Octopus - is this correct? If so, this is a significant potential benefit for small domestic generators over Go.
 
Reading the Octopus pages it seems Intelligent Octopus could be used alongside Outgoing Octopus - is this correct? If so, this is a significant potential benefit for small domestic generators over Go.
No, that's not the case. Unfortunately :D

They should update the documentation on the website, but everyone on the Octopus forums who was on Agile or Econ7 and moved to this had their outgoing tariff moved to the SEG.
 
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I'm at the point of choosing between IO and Go Faster - IO is currently at 7.5p/kwh where Go Faster is 8.25p but with a markedly lower day rate (32p vs 40p ish). It will be used to charge the car but also 2 x 9.5 kwh batteries in a couple of month's time. Go Faster gives me nearly enough time (5 hours) whereas IO gets me even closer with 6 hours - however there appears to be a bit more (manageable) faff with IO. There's a bunch of solar going in too so this is mainly a consideration for winter months.

Can I just check one last time please, that I don't need a smart charger for IO - just the Octopus app and the car? I have a Zappi going in with the solar but don't think that's a pre-requisite for IO or indeed the GO tariffs? Cheers.
 
Can I just check one last time please, that I don't need a smart charger for IO - just the Octopus app and the car? I have a Zappi going in with the solar but don't think that's a pre-requisite for IO or indeed the GO tariffs? Cheers.
Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

I'll even help you set up Home Assistant with your GivEnergy batteries to control the battery discharge outside the fixed off-peak window if you like :)
 
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ok ive read all these posts and very helpful. ive just switched to IO today and set my car to charge on the IO app to 100% by 4am and the car set at 80%. I have been scheduled to start charging from 10:30pm until 4am
So my question is does this result in me getting Off Peak electric for my whole house from 10:30pm tonight ?
 
All usage gets the low rate during the standard IO 6 hour period & also during any additional slots (which ‘could’ differ from the initial schedule)
so as IO started charging my car at 10:30pm tonight ( checked ) does that result in all electric being used during that period will be charged at the Off peak rate ?

great bonus if true...
 
so as IO started charging my car at 10:30pm tonight ( checked ) does that result in all electric being used during that period will be charged at the Off peak rate ?

great bonus if true...

Yup, sure does, at the moment at least. I'm still not convinced it will last forever. As they control the charging so they know how much of the electric usage is for your car and i've not seen any documentation that actually states "If we charge your car outside of the off-peak window then ALL your electric will be charged at the lower rate"

I'd imagine that would be quite a selling point so why not advertise it?
 
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So, I got an email back from the smart team today and can I just say it is so refreshing to get a response from somebody that...

A:) Knows what they are talking about
B:) Has actually read my email and responded accordingly, not talking to me like an idiot but responding in a way that is relevant to the way I asked the questions

"Over the weekend there were issues controlling the charging of Tesla's due to a change Tesla made to their API. This is what caused the original issue regarding the car not being woken up from sleep. There was also a bug with the Android app that was the cause of you being unable to re-register your vehicle"

So sounds like I kind of jumped the gun when it wasn't working and then further broke things, instead of waiting for them to fix it themselves. Go me. No surprise there really.

But something I did find interesting..

"Also for future reference changing your Tesla password doesn't disconnect your car from Intelligent Octopus, as the Intelligent Device ID we use to charge your vehicle remains active and will still be targeted for charging attempts."

This seems.....incorrect. Especially as after changing my password the octopus app no longer even tries to give me a schedule on plugging in, let alone failing completely. But this could just be a coincidence. I will be double checking this when I reply.
 
Yup, sure does, at the moment at least. I'm still not convinced it will last forever. As they control the charging so they know how much of the electric usage is for your car and i've not seen any documentation that actually states "If we charge your car outside of the off-peak window then ALL your electric will be charged at the lower rate"

I'd imagine that would be quite a selling point so why not advertise it?
A quote from the intelligent octopus home page confirming the cheap rate is for your home not just the car charging.
'We'll either schedule your charge during the cheap hours of 11.30pm and 5.30am or, if we schedule your charge outside those times, we'll give you the super cheap rate for your car and home electricity.'
 
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A quote from the intelligent octopus home page confirming the cheap rate is for your home not just the car charging.
'We'll either schedule your charge during the cheap hours of 11.30pm and 5.30am or, if we schedule your charge outside those times, we'll give you the super cheap rate for your car and home electricity.'
Must have missed that one! Nice 😎
 
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Just got an email confirming Ohme is now working with intelligent Octopus


We’re super excited to announce that Intelligent Octopus will now be available to use with Ohme Chargers. This means you can take advantage of Intelligent Octopus’ dynamic pricing tariff and get cheap energy whenever you need to charge!

As you’ve registered interest in Intelligent Octopus, but have previously been unable to join with an Ohme device, we’re inviting you to be one of the first customers to join Intelligent Octopus with Ohme.

To download the Octopus Energy app on iOS follow the link - here

To download the Octopus Energy app on Android follow the link - here

Once you have the app downloaded:

  1. Click on “Charge for Less” on the home page
  2. Follow the setup instructions in the app to set up your car and charger, and run a 'Test Charge'.
  3. Once you've completed these steps, you'll automatically switch onto Intelligent Octopus (prices).
  4. Once you’ve connected your Ohme charger to Intelligent Octopus, you can then control your Ohme Charger from the Ohme app.

If you would like to know more about how Ohme will link up with Intelligent Octopus then head over to our Ohme FAQs page.
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