According to a tweet from Musk today, high speed AP should be out in about 2 weeks.
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DJ 240V
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Tried the new update - I dont see a good reason to use AP on surface streets at 35 mph unless you are stuck in traffic. It does pretty poorly on turns that has signs to slow down at >15 mph . Effectively an almost 90 bend. I dropped the Tac speed less than 20 mph the car kept driving straight. What's needed is 75 mph Auto Steer on freeways.
Auto Park is like winning the lottery ticket. I kept going around my neighberhood and was able to enable it ones. When it did show the "P" sign it did an amazing job parking the car. I wouldn't have parked the car in the spot thinking it was too small for the MS. It did a buitfual job parking, However when I tried doing it a second time around at the same spot - no luck. I recall AP1 being pretty bad during test drive too.
Auto Park is like winning the lottery ticket. I kept going around my neighberhood and was able to enable it ones. When it did show the "P" sign it did an amazing job parking the car. I wouldn't have parked the car in the spot thinking it was too small for the MS. It did a buitfual job parking, However when I tried doing it a second time around at the same spot - no luck. I recall AP1 being pretty bad during test drive too.
I just got the update and went around a bit also. It looks the spot has to be pretty tight for auto park to show up. I was able to do it twice, but didn't try going down the same street again. Honestly, the spaces it was able to do are the only ones I'd particularly care about having it. If there's plenty of room, I can do it myself.
Didn't previously have auto steering on local roads so I tried that out also. Seemed reasonable to me, though it drifts a little bit too far for my liking on tight turns. Not terribly surprising though, considering it drifts a bit when negotiating freeway exit turns as well.
X Fan
Active Member
This is precisely how the lane keeping feature in my wife's Volvo XC90 works ("Pilot Assist 2" branding). It does a reasonable job managing within well marked lanes, but it will not disengage with corrections that you apply manually. I really like the feature, and it is implemented well. It is not, however, something I would trust hands-off. I haven't the foggiest notion if it's "learning" from these corrections, however i strongly suspect that it is not.
My AP2 Model S delivery window starts today, so I'm hopeful to start logging the miles imminently.
anyone know if AP1 was this bad when it was initially launched? Im looking for a gleam of hope that the system will get better and that its not some inherent flaw with the revised hardware and/or Tesla Vision. I dont mind the wait (to a certain degree)
local roads autosteer is straight up sketchy when i tried it this morning. Unusable for me at least.
local roads autosteer is straight up sketchy when i tried it this morning. Unusable for me at least.
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
BertL
Active Member
AP1 had its issues. Do some searching in the 7.0 threads in the October/November/December 2015 timeframe for details when it first became available.
Just remember though, even after it has now been replaced with HW2 in newer vehicles (not 2 years after it was first made available), HW1+AP1 is still beta code, as is HW2+AP2. Neither is considered finished and problems should be expected.
AP1 was fully functional when launched
Well auto steer worked for certain values of "work" (I remember several scary unwanted dives for off-ramps and not real steady lane keeping). There was no summon, I don't think there was auto park either.
If I was an AP2 owner, then based on my AP1 experiences I would definitely expect better things to come. Remember the AP1 hardware was on the roads for he better part of a year before the software features were released. (I am not saying in any way to expect something similar for AP2, just that it did take some time in various stages for AP1 to get to where it is today.)
Bruce.
AP1 was fully functional when launched
Tesla (and Mobileye) worked on AP1 for one year before they "launch" AP1:
October 10, 2014:
Tesla Unveils Dual Motor and Autopilot
October 14, 2015:
Your Autopilot has arrived
Is this sarcastic? It was definitely not. The first time I test drove 7.0 with ap1 we ended up nearly sideways on a freeway exit and the Tesla employee in the car screamed like a girl!AP1 was fully functional when launched
(Long story)
But it really wasn't until almost a year after autosteer was announced before it was robust, and that was almost 2 years after the hardware came out. Compared to that, I would say AP HW2 rollout is happening much faster....
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Todd Burch
14-Year Member
AP2 folks: You need to be patient. It's going to take a little time to get as refined as AP1.
Playing with it a bit more, it's pretty easy to tell where it'll consistently fail. The big one is on turns. Regardless of the direction of the turn, it tends to drift too far towards the outside, with the degree to which it's off increasing the sharper the turn is. This makes it almost pointless, since TACC is more than capable for straight roads.
The main other failure is a bit more reasonable: it's not great at negotiating when lanes split or merge. On a lane split, it seems to go deer-in-headlights until drifting far enough into one of the two lanes and sticking with it(again, reasonable). On a lane merge it tends to swerve to try to stay in the middle *and* the right.
Definitely not ready for prime time, but I'm sure it'll improve. Auto-park works like a dream, though, assuming you can find an applicable spot.
The main other failure is a bit more reasonable: it's not great at negotiating when lanes split or merge. On a lane split, it seems to go deer-in-headlights until drifting far enough into one of the two lanes and sticking with it(again, reasonable). On a lane merge it tends to swerve to try to stay in the middle *and* the right.
Definitely not ready for prime time, but I'm sure it'll improve. Auto-park works like a dream, though, assuming you can find an applicable spot.
My past experience with AP1 is that it tends towards the inside of turns, especially at high freeway speeds.
I did have an experience with driving down the stripe back under 7.1 in August, but I haven't seen that since.
krazineurons
krazineurons
Each time I engaged autosteer on surface streets I had to take over within seconds because of its last to drive into the adjacent lane despite blue bars showing around the current lane.
My wife was asking me why release it in this way rather learn from shadow mode and then release it, I didn't have an answer. The neural network should be able to train itself using shadow mode data too, is there a reason why it has to be live to get better overtime?
My wife was asking me why release it in this way rather learn from shadow mode and then release it, I didn't have an answer. The neural network should be able to train itself using shadow mode data too, is there a reason why it has to be live to get better overtime?
DJ 240V
Member
I'm starting to feel like the shadow mode is just a shady cover for the delays
The NN is trained, once, using the same type of data that it needs to process. Its purpose is either to identify features in live video, or to command driving based on live video, so it is trained using a curated set of video frames. This happens at Tesla HQ and the result is uploaded to the cars - it does not retrain itself based on driving data.
I do not believe the NN is controlling autopilot right now, as Nvidia have shown in their demos. It is used as shown in the Tesla demos, to identify road features. Fortunately, this leaves much room for improvement.
Ulmo
Active Member
The first try looked OCD.
The second and third were great.
The fourth was OK but it was over the forward (green) line.
The bike cop scared me. What was he up to?